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I was going to post this as a comment, but it was in an anarchism community, and I figured some sections of it might be unacceptable there. Hence, new post.

Here's a guideline of how to interact with cops. There are more or less three modes, depending on your read of the situation. Cops are not always the enemy or the maniacal whole-job-is-making-evil thugs that Lemmy sometimes makes them out to be. It really is bad for people to get mugged or their cars broken into, and they're the solution our society has come up with to minimize the amount of it that happens. It's not always a bad thing.

If you find yourself talking to the cops, there are more or less three ways:

  • They're there to solve a real problem. Someone's car got broken into, someone got beat up. Just talk with them. Tell them what you know, help them figure out the situation. In almost all of the US, their effect on the problem will be positive, and it'll be a lot more positive if they have a good grasp of what happened. If, in your opinion, the person they're trying to catch really did do something that warrants a law enforcement response, then give them a hand. Use your judgement as to whether that's warranted of course, and your impression of the justice level in your local area, since it varies quite a lot in the US.
  • They're there for you. Shut the fuck up. Don't say a goddamned word. It doesn't even matter if you didn't do it. Don't explain. Shut the fuck up. Be polite, obey lawful orders, definitely don't fight them or you'll get a felony and might also get injured or worse, but tell them that if you're suspected of a crime, then you'd like to talk to a lawyer, and you have nothing else to say. And then, shut the fuck up and cooperate. Maybe you want to go as far as "Were you shoplifting?" "What? No. That wasn't me, man." But any further explanation than that, just leave it alone. Definitely don't make something up on the spot, to make yourself sound innocent, if you did do it. For the love of God, don't do that.
  • They're there for someone who didn't do anything wrong. The reason for this post is, anything and everything with ICE and immigration falls into this category. Some things with local cops will, also. Just be unhelpful and simple. No, I didn't see anything. I don't know. I'm not sure. Be vague. Don't get creative, keep it simple, don't refuse to give your ID or otherwise antagonize them or commit minor crimes of obstruction, but just do your best imitation of someone who just fell from the sky. "So you've NEVER MET your neighbor. Your neighbor across the hall." "Nope." "Are you sure?" "Yeah, I don't know." "I mean, she gave us your name, she said she'd talked to you." "I don't know, I don't remember that." Don't embellish. Don't explain why. Just calmly let the silence linger and the pressure build up, without adding extra words.

Like I said, everything with ICE or other immigration authorities falls into the third category. No exceptions. Everything. The same applies with any type of federal law enforcement, I suspect, for the next few years.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How much bootlicking and privilege do I have to have for these to work? If they come up to me and arrest me for existing, is that mean I did something wrong? What happens when they murder unarmed people for existing? Did they just not talk right?

Fuck this idiot never talk to cops about anything, learn your rights. Don't ever fucking trust the fascist.

Remember kids cops are food not friends.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

You just gotta keep yelling “AM I BEING DETAINED” while they keep telling you “Yes,” and then refuse to give your ID or get out of the car until they break your driver’s side window. That’ll show those stupid fascists who’s boss.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

This is long but worth the watch. It is a lawyer and a police officer giving specific details on why you should never talk to the police.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've seen this before. It was also posted and discussed below. It covers scenario number 2 in quite a lot of detail, which I think is a really good thing and good advice, yes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You're right I somehow missed it in my skim of the comments.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Man this thread is full of people asking to get jerked around by the cops. "AM I bEiNg DetaIneD?!" Well, you definitely upped your chances.

Here's a life lesson: don't act like a fuckwad to anybody and your outcomes are likely to be better across the board.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

This is mostly a copy-paste from my comment in another post, but:

Dont literally not talk to the police.

Example: If you are at a car crash, and you literally remain silent and don’t verbally deny fault, the cops will assume its your fault (since the other driver will obviously deny fault) and the police report is say “[Your name] is at fault”, and that’s gonna fuck up the insurance claims. Always deny fault (but don’t make up false statements in the process of doing so).

Also, if you are in the US, and is a suspect of an alleged crime, don’t actually literally remain completely silent. You have to verbally invoke your 5th amendment rights to protect against court shenanigans.

Excerpt from wikipedia:

In June 2010, the Supreme Court ruled in Berghuis v. Thompkins that a criminal suspect must now invoke the right to remain silent unambiguously. Unless and until the suspect actually states that he is relying on that right, police may continue to interact with (or question) him, and any voluntary statement he makes can be used in court. The mere act of remaining silent is, on its own, insufficient to imply the suspect has invoked those rights. Furthermore, a voluntary reply, even after lengthy silence, can be construed as implying a waiver. The new rule will defer to police in cases where the suspect fails to assert the right to remain silent. This standard was extended in Salinas v. Texas in 2013 to cases where individuals not in custody who volunteer to answer officers’ questions and who are not told their Miranda rights. The Court stated that there was no “ritualistic formula” necessary to assert this right, but that a person could not do so “by simply standing mute”.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Explicit_invocation

Just say a simple phrase such as “I hereby invoke my 5th amendment right to silence, and I want to talk to a lawyer”. Or if not in the US, just leave out the “5th amendment” part.

(also, might be a good idea to have a few phone numbers of criminal defence attorneys memorized)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good advice. Think about the situation and get a feel for what's going on, instead of automatically trusting or hating cops. It really isn't smart to treat real life like a meme.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It really isn't. I've seen some bodycam videos of people who got themselves in a significant amount of trouble that they didn't need to be in, because they were aggressively ignorantly hostile to cops who were just showing up for some straightforward reason and trying to do their jobs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've seen those videos too, and I don't know what you meant by "it really isn't" but I wouldn't advise being aggressively ignorantly hostile to cops no matter what they're doing. If you're a victim of police abuse, they have all the power in that moment and being belligerent will not help you. It's not a matter of principle, it's a matter of surviving that situation so you can fight it in court where you'll have a better (i.e. nonzero) chance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, no, I was agreeing with you, sorry. What I meant was "It really isn't smart to treat real life like a meme."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

LOL sorry, lazy me didn't hit the link button and see what it was about, even though I really like how well that lemmy feature works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

It's all good, I think it's on me. It would have been hard to interpret the first few words of my message as any way but hostile, I think.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Rule 1 : Don't

Rule 2 : Am I being detained?

Rule 3 : I will not answer any questions without my lawyer present.

Be as advised, in the US, if you are driving your car, you are required to identify yourself to an officer, along with providing proof of registration and insurance. Remember, you can beat the ticket, but you can't beat the ride.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
  1. Resume consumption of your succulent Chinese meal
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

what does "can't beat the ride" mean in this context?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Basically, if the police are going to grab you, it's best not to resist. Exercise your rights in court, not on the pavement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Take the ticket so you don't get arrested is how I interpreted it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is bad advice. In all cases, dont talk to them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Hey, you reported a home intrusion?"

"I wont say anything without a lawyer present."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, calling the cops is a good way to get murdered. Better not to call them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In most situations, Honestly just easier to file the report at the station.

Neighbor's car got broken into. Called the cops and for some reason, THREE cops went door to door demanding home owners hand over video of their door cams?

I went to yell at my neighbor who apologized like crazy, saying he just asked them to file a report, not play Bad Boys action-hero.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

"MaN thEsE PoLiCE nEveR soLvE AnyThiNg"

Calls the cops, they investigate the crime that was reported, trying to find the bad guy.

"MaN tHesE poLiCe anD tHeiR inVesTiGaTioNs, StuPiD CopS"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the USA your advice is bad advice. You are in some situations obligated to answer questions. “Im not sure” and “I don’t know/recall” are perfectly valid answers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Those answers can be used to convict you. Don't say anything!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The third option is our German chancellor (Olaf Scholz). "I dont know where these Millions went." "I don't remember anything about that incident." "I don't recall sending or receiving these messages." "That evidence? No I don't remember this and I refuse to talk about it" If you ask any uncomfortable questions about corruption he just stays silent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Or Senator Mitch McConnell.
"I do not recaaawwwwwwlllllll"

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

oh right, of course. this guide is for interacting with US police. as if the rest of the world doesn't exist and we should all assume that everything posted to the internet applies specifically to US citizens. cool thanks

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fixed the title for you, my apologies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why not post to a cop forum "how to deal with the people you have to deal with." ?

Because most of us haven't taken classes about the book "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" while most US cops have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Why not post to a cop forum “how to deal with the people you have to deal with.” ?

I think the George Floyd protests accomplished a pretty large amount of this. Prior to about 2014, the state of policing in the US had some absolutely fatal flaws. No pun intended. Now, training on use of force is totally different, bodycams are pretty much universal, a lot of stuff has changed.

There's actually still more that is needed, and a lot in our criminal justice system that still needs improvement, but the cops' part of the equation has actually had some of the most attention to it recently, so it's in the best shape, relatively speaking. The court system and the prisons are where a lot of attention needs to go, now.

most US cops have

This is absolutely false. Tell me which classes, and what their enrollment numbers are. There are a little over a million cops in the US.

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