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The only few reason I know so far is software availability, like adobe software, and Microsoft suite. Is there more of major reasons that I missed?

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[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

i use all OS so i didnโ€™t give linux up but i donโ€™t use it in a lot of cases that i think it should be better.

i got frustrated at snapd and the whole container by default approach most distros are going.

selinux already does what people want jails to be doing. app armor worked well enough.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Gave up because of hardware issues. Laptops had fan problems with it on, the grub wouldn't install right, a lot of the good distros would show up as black before or after installation. My latest attempt with a decade old iMac made the screen die after less than half an hour upon each reboot. Most of these computers should work very well with Linux but they never did for me. Back then it was a matter of just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

My latest attempt with a decade old iMac made the screen die after less than half an hour upon each reboot.

My favorite part about the internet is when someone else somehow has the exact same completely obscure issue that I've had

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I work for a MS shop. I tolerate it because they provide the machine (as they damn well should in any case!)

In my personal world, Iโ€™m Linux across the board - couldnโ€™t pay me enough to a) own securing RDP on a win box or b) use IIS.

Is Linux perfect? Nope. Never suggested otherwise. But in the areas that matter to me, itโ€™s far superior.

Definitely havenโ€™t given up, and my main personal machine would have been in the trash heap ages ago if I was still trying to force windows on it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I don't know that I fully qualify as "gave up using Linux", but I gave it up for daily personal use, so maybe that counts? I'm definitely not opposed to picking it back up again one day, though! And I do have a Linux device (Steam Deck) that I use frequently, so it's not all doom and gloom.

For probably 10+ years, I used various flavors of Linux on my personal laptop. But around 8 years ago or so, my then current laptop was getting old and getting to the point where it needed to be replaced. At the same time, I was also wanting to get back into gaming so I opted for a laptop that came with Windows by default (Linux gaming at the time left a lot to be desired).

I did try to go the dual boot route with that laptop, but man it sucked. No matter what I tried, the touch screen functionality either didn't work at all, or it was too buggy to be useful. The graphics card performance was terrible. That was still in the era where finding the right wifi drivers could be a chore, and even then they weren't exactly the most stable. It was one problem after another. So, I gave up on Linux for personal use, entirely.

Now I have a different laptop that I specifically verified has decent Linux compatibility and there's much better Linux support for games but at the end of the day, I just find that my time and interest in tinkering with the OS has diminished, so I'm sticking with what works (even if it's FAR from perfect).

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Nothing works without extended fiddling. While fiddling, nothing works the way the manual says it should. Googling for solutions gets results that are terminal commands than don't do what the poster says they should.

Microsoft sucks, but Windows programs work as expected 95% of the time. Linux programs don't work at all 75% of the time, even after extensive reading and extended periods of time wasted fucking around with fixes proposed by the internet.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

What were you using? I installed Debian and didn't even give it a thought, just installed shit through Discover and everything worked just fine lol

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I loved Linux at work when I had a sysadmin. Shit worked great. At home I started using Linux and despite some driver issues, it was mostly good. Then I started working for myself (so no more sysadmin). Some Linux update totally screwed up my computer and I lost a lot of work. It also became too much work to try and configure the apps that I needed to use for work. Switched to windows and it's been pretty smooth sailing. Still boot up Linux now and again for this or that, but I don't trust it enough as a daily driver for my needs.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I want to use SolidWorks. My kids want to play Fortnite and Valorant.

It's due to lack of support by mainstream developers. I can only hope the Steam deck takes off and continues to sell; once a critical mass of people are on the platform it'll only gain momentum. We're not there yet but this is the closest we've been in 30 years.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I understand SolidWorks. But out of the myriad of games that exist why does anyone want to play those two craps.... :-D

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know it might be hard to imagine, but your tastes aren't objective or universal; other people find things enjoyable that you detest and vice-versa.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Which doesn't change anything about those two games being crappy :-D

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For me, a few things keep me from sticking with it. The community used to be a problem but it's not as bad as it used to be. Seeking help online regarding anything related to network services are still rife with the "git gooder" useless fucks. Two months ago I was told, "you shouldn't be doing this if you need a guide." I was trying to deploy a Lemmy instance... Using the guide provided by Lemmy devs... That they recommended for beginners... FML with a curling iron...

Another big one for me is access to solutions. I have never encountered a problem with windows that I couldn't find a solution or at least an explanation for. But I frequently find issues with linux that I am apparently the first to ever experience.

And lastly, it seems like not using a terminal at all to do completely normal things is even remotely possible. Powershell allows all kinds of things that would be otherwise burdensome or impossible, but none of those are required for use. On the flip side, it feels like everything I want to do in Linux tends to require me to copypasta a terminal command, open the terminal, and run. Why? Why is there no "control panel" style settings tools? Why is every setting scattered to the .conf fucking wind? My kingdom for a distro that I don't have to nano my fucking way through.

Software compatibility??? That is a problem I would love to have when it comes to trying to switch OSs. That would mean that everything else is already working and only MS products are acting up. Also... who switches to Linux but still requires MS Office??? Why does this person exist? Lol

Anyway. Haven't tried the switch in a few years and it seems like things have changed a lot in that time comparatively to the preceding years, so I may be a bit out of touch. But that's why I quit last time. I would love to not need windows ever again. But my worst windows day is still better than my best Linux day.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I understand your points and agree with them. For me the experience with support has been quite opposite though... I can always find a solution (or at least an explanation) with Linux (I can go all the way down the rabbit hole to the source code if I would be so inclined) but with Windows it's always been just black magic rituals or random software from the internets that either work or tough luck.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I tried to install Linux on my new laptop, trying multiple different distros.

  • Many of them did not work with my 3840x2400 screen, with unreadably tiny UI
  • The sound did not always work
  • When the sound did work, I either couldn't change the volume, or figure out how to disable the speakers when I plug in headphones
  • Sometimes screen brightness could not be changed

In short, driver problems. So many driver problems. I was sinking too much time into it, and I was basically unable to use my computer. So I gave up and switched back to Windows. Windows has its own annoyances, and I want to use Linux... but Windows mostly works, most of the time. Linux doesn't, and I have neither the time nor the technical skills to make it work.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Display scaling has gotten better on Wayland and will be better on the next version of GNOME!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Everything I know about Linux I learned troubleshooting a problem. And I still feel like I don't know shit about the OS. After so long with Windows, Linux feels like living in a country where you don't speak the language; everything is harder than it needs to be.

If the day comes where games are as easy on Linux as they are on Windows, I'll give desktop Linux another shot.

This said, I've self-hosted on a Debian box for years.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I recently switched for the first time, and have been using EndeavorOS with KDE on a couple year old laptop, and my experience has been the complete opposite. It's fantastic. I feel like this is what using a PC is supposed to be like. Before Microsoft fucked it all up.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Similar, I've been running a jellyfin server on mint on a spare laptop, and some other networking tests for other projects. It's a good low-risk way to learn, I think. But my income depends on the daily driver being reliable, and I'm just not comfortable enough in Linux to switch right now

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Last time I tried diving headfirst into Linux, I got frustrated by having a problem and all the suggested solutions are all wildly different (from an outside perspective) series of editing settings or unusual terminal commands. I already knew how Windows worked well enough to do most things I wanted, but didn't have almost any understanding of how Linux operated so all of the opaque solutions offered without explanation of why or how it should fix the problem just added to my confusion. Couple that with having to sort through one or two dozen suggestions to find one that actually works, not knowing if even attempting any solutions would cause other issues later.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you ever want to try again I'd suggest pulling up chatgpt to ask questions. It's not failsafe, but it helped me a ton and I come from a predominantly windows background. (Edited to add: I ended up sticking with Pop_OS! And I LOVE it. I game a ton and have very little issues with proton on steam)

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

LibreOffice is an an amazing replacement for the MS-Office suite.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I hadn't learned enough about how to use it back then.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

for me it was Wifi glitch. No matter what I try, reinstall the drivers, but I was unable to use Wifi on my Laptop.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

In my case it was a distro's fault and my laziness to fix it. So, wifi's firmware is proprietary and some distro that are lightweight just didn't provide the firmware.

Remember when debian provided both regular iso and non free iso? yea my laptop couldn't connect to wifi if I were using the original iso.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bugs. Bugs, everywhere.

These often require workarounds via the terminal -- if we're lucky. The whole situation gets old after a while, despite myself using Linux for 25 years now, and being an ideological supporter of Free Software for just as long. For new users, it's terrifying. At the end, convenience wins, and that's why I'm typing this via an M1 Macbook Air. Despite that, I still have 5-6 older Linux machines/laptops around, and I often run Debian ARM via virtualization too on this Macbook. I won't ever quite decouple from Linux.

But it's important to objectively point at its faults, and for the chance that these faults will never get fixed, unless massive corporations come behind it to do the heavy lifting: proper beta testing of absolutely everything on the desktop/apps. That's the non-glamour part of coding that volunteer programmers hate to do, or can't do. It's what saved the Linux kernel, systems utils and server software: the companies that came to clean it up, develop it further, and support it. The desktop doesn't have that same support. That support died in 2002 when Red Hat announced that it will become a server-only company. Ubuntu is too tiny to help, and they've moved to servers too anyway.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Honestly I spend more time fighting weird bugs, performance issues and crashes with xcode than I do with any IDE under arch, including when I mained hyprland for like 6 months. And in this case, there usually was a way to actually fix or work around the issue.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

I gave up because sound stopped working every time I rebooted.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Because over time I realized Linux wastes a lot of my time on unimportant shit. Then I was given a Mac and eventually I realized that macOS has most of the upsides of Linux while being much more stable, less buggy and more pleasant to use. It just worksยฎโ„ข

I don't regret ever using Linux tho, it's a great for learning new stuff and acquiring different kind of thinking. Everyone who's a programmer or in some adjacent field should use Linux at least for a while. It's easy to notice when someone never used it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Linux is far better for gaming than Mac these days. Proton is amazing, and I have yet to find a game (that my laptop meets the minimum requirements for) that hasn't worked. The most I've had to do is switch from regular Proton to GE-Proton.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Linux in the server, macOS on the desktop, Windows in the trash.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Pretty much

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