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ive been using/managing/fixing computers and servers for 40+ years. from old AS400 to full on cloud bullshit. i can remember only a single time where boot time mattered... when microsofts DNS failures caused servers to take 15 minutes to boot.. other than that there hasnt been a single time it has ever been a problem or discussed as an issue to be resolved.

so why the fuck is it constantly touted as some benefit!? it grinds my gears when i see anyone stating how fast their machine booted.

am i alone in this?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if you're including consumers in this. I have a gaming PC. When I get a message that friends are looking for a game, I want it to be on immediately so I can play.

Am I willing to do something about that? Like get a better drive, finally upgrade to UEFI, etc? No. But I want fast.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

When it takes long yeah. Generally with a ssd boot times are pretty fast across the board but it also makes me expect a fast boot time. I expect a system to boot so fast now that there is little to no wait to the point powering up is not noticably slower than coming out of sleep. I get rather annoyed now if the os does not go by as fast as the bios screen. If a minute passes from pressing the button im like wtf. Again though I find most things can boot that fast now and its sorta unusual when they don't. One thing I have been loving about not being on windows is I don't seem to have to worry about various things getting put into start up automatically which would ruin my boot time on windows.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

Working on Sun heavy iron, boot time was excuciating. We'd add RAM to a fully pupulated E3000 and then waiy 40 minutes before the first diagnostics appeared on the terminal.

That wasn't technically boot time, but the OBP equivalent of POST.

Honestly, OS boot time has never been an issue for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Whatever time I'd get by tuning my start-up would be dwarfed by the BIOS and grub startup dance. I only really reboot when I need to test a kernel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't care about how long it takes to boot up, but I do care how long it takes from login to the desktop environment being usable.

Dealing with servers, I'm used to long boot up times since the low-level lifecycle management takes forever. But, once it's booted, I expect it to be ready to go. I have no patience for "Just a moment...." or "Getting things ready" after I enter my credentials. All that shit should have been taken care of during the boot up.

Thankfully, I mostly use Linux at home/work, so that's less of an issue, but it does make it all the worse when I have to remote into a Windows server.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Well, (potential) customers do care about quite a few completely useless metrics, or ta least meaningless ones. Exactly like they do with their photography gear. Marketing departments need those things to sell new device, right? ;)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

When computers took minutes to boot, it was annoying. In the days before computers had a suspend feature, you might be turning a computer on and off multiple times a day, and you would just have to wait a while before you could do anything. In the days of windows 95 and some of the subsequent releases, you would just expect to get the blue screen of death constantly, and keep having to reboot. Install something and have to reboot. Waiting on rebooting added up to quite a chunk of time.

These days, I reboot my pc once a week or less, and then it's back up within a minute. So yeah, it doesn't even bother me now because it's such a non-issue. But that's just because of all the progress that has been made in that area over the decades.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

It's a nice thing, but not a metric that I'm gonna brag about.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I find it rather amusing that big servers are optimized to never fail with redundant pdus and fans and the like but as soon as you have to restart such a device, prepare for 10-20 minute downtime.

My take is: before we had ssds so that a shitty configured windows pc could take up to 5-10 mins to boot, that really was a problem. Nowadays, especially were many devices use suspend instead of shutdown and are much faster, not any more.

On the other hand, my fucking smart tv takes 2 minutes to boot and i hate it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I know it was quite popular to measure boot times when SSDs were first coming out because of the massive speed difference there was from HDDs. I think its just a fun/easy metric to measure and report on today. Most probably don't care if its 10 or 20 seconds.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago

in the 80s/early 90s we used a directory listing to demonstrate how fast the machine was.. when the pentiums started to hit, it finally listed faster than you could read.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

I don't really care, but I'm just a simple man.

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