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I'm cleaning out my gmail folders this weekend, and went deep into the archive to 2011, when I got my invite to Google Music.

It's funny, because I just (November) moved all of my music out of cloud and back to local-only. Amazon was the last straw, when I tried to play purchased music, and was forced to listen to it on shuffle with other songs not of my choosing.

Anyway... there was a time when Google (ahem, Youtube) Music was set to be a game-changer. Imagine if enshittification wasn't a thing.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah, tragic. The queuing behavior was so perfect

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

And now almost all of Google's "offerings" are enshittified to no end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Best music platform ever, and probably forever with the way things are going.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Been rocking a real mp3 player with a metal shell for years now. Nothing quite like having a dedicated device you curate yourself. The last time I used spotify was 2016

If youtube-dl/yt-dlp ever stops working im in trouble

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Oh yes, the enshittification of music streaming.

To be fair, most people seem to be fine with a "broadcast radio" type playback, where they want to hear both the music they already know/like, with other music that is at least somewhat similar to it.

A nontrivial number of people are more like you, who want this specific music to be played and nothing more. But that perspective, at least from what I've seen, is not held by the majority of users. So we get random trash thrown in with our personally curated lists of songs and albums.

Catering to the majority is fine, IMO, since that's what will pay the bills. I get it. From a business perspective it makes sense. However, ignoring literally everyone else in the process is not what I would consider to be an acceptable policy. Certainly make the defaults conform to what appeals to the largest number of people, but allow the individual user to customize their experience.

Since companies won't do that, those that want to listen to specific music generally get pushed into having a local music collection, so it behaves in a way that makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I'm back on local only as well. Even dipping back into physical media. The thrift stores are my Spotify now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I remember a glorious time when Songza existed. It was amazing and I used it every single day. Then the death march began as it was "acquired" by Satan. Satan let it live on for a short while, but after that it "sunsetted" (or whatever other idiotic word they used back then) and Satan killed it.

Oh songza, how I loved thee.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I literally just want to sort my liked music by the number of times it's been played. I really, really miss that feature.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Remember when the Intenet made you optimistic? That's why I think these posts gut me so much. Because it doesn't do that anymore.

Anyway off to continue doom scrolling.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

"The internet will bring us all together! It will democratize truth and information!" Was the manta of the 2000s.

20 years later and the exact opposite happened.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

to be fair i would say that the internet largely has made information significantly more democratic & accessible. truth, not so much...

although i definitely do count the fact that you need to know how to spot & deal with misinformation and especially disinformation and differentiate it from valid information in order to safely use the internet, as a very big accessibility problem currently. Most people aren't growing up learning that on their own, and it's certainly not well taught.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

terrible. I thought I would never need a copy of my music files again - They're uploaded to Google so it's all good.

When it crashed, it was an extreme hassle to download the several gigs, I ended up storing them on a phone temporarily, which then died and is likely not recoverable. I lost some rare and unique recordings like the music from my old band that I recorded.

Maintaining this would have been a pittance for Google.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I thought all Google Music was transferred to YouTube Music. You might still have those files in your library.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Thanks! it turns out that it is all there!

I never bothered to setup a YT Music account, so I never realized that the uploaded music was still available. I know this is a very niche problem, but just in case anyone is searching and comes across this:

  1. Yes, Google Music uploads are saved in your YouTube Music files. You already have a Google account, so you can set it up with the same login to gain access to the files.

  2. On desktop, open "Library" on the left -> select "Uploads" tab at the top.

  3. Sort by "Album," "Artist," or "Song" to see the entire library.

  4. When searching, etc., it will default back to the YT Music streaming service. Manually select the "Uploads" tab after each operation.

It is also possible to download your music library (although not individual songs, etc.) from YT Music, although is is not obvious.

  1. Navigate to https://takeout.google.com/ while logged into the same Google account.

  2. Click on "Deselect all" (unless you wish to download ALL of your google related data.

  3. Select "YouTube and YouTube Music" at the bottom of the list

  4. Click "All YouTube data included," then select "music-uploads" as well as "music-library-songs" (if you have any music acquired through Google)

  5. Follow the prompts to receive your files. You can choose to repeat this process as a periodic backup, or a one time download as a .zip (or set of .zip files). You can download them to your PC via email link, or you can have them directly transferred to another cloud service (Box, Dropbox, Google Drive, and OneDrive as of now)

  6. This process can take a while.

Good luck, and enjoy!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Yup, it was one of the worst "someone's getting promo and the users are getting screwed" Google decisions.

Anyone remember this list?

https://www.reddit.com/r/googleplaymusic/comments/icmwdf/one_comprehensive_list_of_youtube_music/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

It was the best! GPM's demise was an abomination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

My account migrated seamlessly, had no problems at all. I like it still.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

When google music was consolidated into YouTube music it was a slightly worse experience, but mostly it somehow just ruined all of my playlists and made them unusable both on music and YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From what I can tell, the core issue with YouTube music is that it is restricted to the same API end points as default YouTube. Their api for playlist management just sucks and a lot of client side caching and workarounds are required to make it at all feel okay to use.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

True random is hidden. They auto play videos and/or rape my data with downloads when I specifically tell it not to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Slightly? I hated it and switched to Spotify

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Me too. I would've probably used Google Play Music to the end of my days but the transition to Youtube Music was so good awful I cancelled and switched to Spotify within a couple of days.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yt music does the same thing though, I still send my downloaded songs to it, I really don't get what was so special about the old version.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The previous version was a music management and playback platform that had a store and subscription available. The current version is a subscription-selling platform with rudimentary music management and playback features. You can no longer buy an album, only subscribe. God help you if you want to do anything with playlists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Also it uses YouTube's algorithm to do random play based on a song. It sucks so bad it's not even funny. With repeated songs and songs that have nothing to do with the song you started with. And if one of the songs in the list is sorta popular it's just stuck in a loop of the most dreadful popsongs.

Not to mention wanting to play videos the whole time, where I only want to listen to music as implied by the name YouTube Music. And it mixes your video history on YouTube with the music history, so randomly it will start suggesting songs when you want to watch video.

It's like someone at YouTube decided that watching videos and listening to music is basically the same thing or close enough. It's utterly moronic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Google music killed songza, I'll never forgive them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This and Zune were peak music.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I argue plexamp is getting close to this as well. Although I use Synfonium with Plex which is also a very smooth experience.

GPM is still untouched though. Even if was a rollercoaster waiting for a new client just to have YTM end everything we liked about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Where do you find the music to add to it? YouTube rips?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'll die on the hill that GPM was and still is the best music service I ever used. I don't think I ever had a single recommendation that wasn't on point for me. The service worked flawless and the app was easy to use. When we got the notice our hearts sank. Spotify doesn't even compare .

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Same! I still keep the icon on my phone to remind me of what we lost.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

Good call, recommendations have only gotten worse with subsequent iterations. I am glad they added gapless playback though, the first few versions had a tiny pause between songs which was hella obvious on stuff like Pink Floyd.

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