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It's a "gotcha" word. If Sanders or AOC said genocide, which AOC danced around it without saying it, the media would destroy them.
They know that Trump is Bibi's best friend, right? And electing him will triple-down on the genocide?
They know that, right?
They know that, right?
They're mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Sounds like you'd rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.
Are you sure you're not going to vote for Trump? People like you have such a strong urge to defend genocide that I'm certain you'd fit in very well with that crowd.
Maybe we should be doing something about the whole genocide thing if we really don't want a fascist to take power in the US. Maybe the blame should be placed on those enabling genocide instead of the people that are protesting against it.
Yeah. The idea that the government listens to the citizens is completely unamerican. They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
...and if they don't, then they support Russia. /s
How does this always turn into what will Trump or Biden do next year about the Gaza genocide? Forget the election, Biden is president now, people are protesting what he is doing now, there likely wont be a Gaza by the start of the next presidential term. They've been pushed from the north into the southernmost region, and that region is currently being bombed.
Given the short time table you have in mind what do you think protests will achieve before then?
Ah jeez well theyre all as good as dead, pack it up folks, no point in caring about it. See yall next genocide.
Non answer is an answer I guess.
Deep down I think protesters know nothing they do will stop the war in Gaza. I guess they just plan to keep kicking and screaming all the way because it makes them feel like they're doing something important.
people are protesting what he is doing now
...or not doing.
not doing
...meaning Biden is not demanding a cease-fire
San Franciscan here. Trump also pulls protest crowds when people find out that he’s in the area to get money from the tech billionaires. That said, I don’t think he’s been here for quite a while.
The amount of propaganda absorbtion it takes to reflexively 'but Trump' when people are protesting genocide is enough that if you lived in Russia theres a good chance you'd be pro Putin.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide.
They're absolutely right to be upset, and your dismissal of them is both disgusting and completely unsurprising.
They can protest, but to disrupt the fundraiser is the stupidest thing they can do. And democrats do not support genocide - they do not think that what happens in Gaza is genocide.
So protest, as long as it doesn't disrupt anything?
Anything? Did I say that disruption was a problem? No. The stupidity is that by their action they make Trump election more likely.
Biden's support for genocide makes Trump's election more likely. The protesters want him to stop.
So... why is biden flaking for aid?
Why does the senate refuse to consider a Ukraine funding bill without Israel aid? why do most democrats support funding Israel?
Sure seems like most politicians support israel.
@MxM111 that's the No True Scotsman fallacy.
You're basically claiming that no one who is "really" a US democrat is calling out the Gaza conflict as a genocide. But plenty are.
He's claiming that if Democrats support it, it's not genocide.
Way to distort my words!
If you're pretending that Netanyahu isn't committing genocide, your words are already distorted.
I am not claiming that ALL democrats do that. Those who support Israel do not think that this is genocide. Better?
I think the use of word genocide in this context is just scoring easy political points, honestly. What is happening there is not standard situation, but it does not look even remotely close to the genocide where everybody agrees that it is genocide.
Uh no. Everyone except the US and friends consider this to be a genocide. The UN definition is easily met.
It is effectively genocide. While it's true they aren't specifically trying to wipe out everyone that's ethnically Palestinian, what they are trying to do is remove everyone living in Palestine who isn't Israeli either by murdering them or causing them to flee into another country. That's close enough to genocide to qualify, particularly when the people murdered by the Israeli army are about half women and children.
Their ultimate goal is the complete elimination of the state of Palestine. Are you seriously going to claim that isn't genocide?
@MxM111 much better thanks! Sorry for the misunderstanding.
As for political points though, I don't see why you think no one is in earnest in this context.
The reason I call it a genocide is because in my honest opinion it meets Raphael Lemkin's definition of genocide. Increasingly I believe it is appearing to meet the definitions used in international law.
I have a longstanding interest in human rights, including genocide prevention. As you can probably see from my post history - especially in @worldwithoutus - I'm interested in a wide range of human rights crises in the world today.
[Genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong. 1946. Raphael Lemkin
I can easily see arguments that this situation is not applicable here. Israel stated goal is security, return of the hostages and Hamas destruction. (Hamas on the other side openly state destructions of Israel and Jews "from the river to the sea" as its one of the main goals, i.e. actual genocide). None of this fits into above definition. And while it is true that there are members of parliament from ultra right that want to do ethnic cleansing (but not genocide) this is not official position.
So, again, I will argue that calling this complex situation genocide is an easy political point scoring. Does not help discussion of the actual problem.
can easily see arguments that this situation is not applicable here. Israel stated goal is security, return of the hostages and Hamas destruction.
Who cares about their stated goals? Judge by their actions, and their actions are:
An artificially induced famine, with a quarter of the population suffering from acute food shortage.
Rape, torture and kidnapping (and of course wanton murder) of Gazans in the territories they've managed to capture.
Murder of at least more than 1% of the population. More likely much more because the hospitals who are supposed to count dead people aren't functioning anymore, and there are still people buried under rubble.
Etc etc.
And then they've stated that they'll make fucking "deradicalization camps". This is official Israeli policy coming from the mouth of Netanyahu himself. Total victory is sounding awfully close to a final solution now.
@MxM111 I don't find your arguments convincing. Incidentally, Hamas's own genocidal intentions are irelevant to the argument about whether Israel is carrying out a de facto genocide against Palestinian civilians.
Out of interest what is the "political point" that you think I, as a non-American from the other side of the world, would even be making?
I don't even subscribe in here, as I'm not interested in the minutia of US politics, it came up on All. As far as I can tell, unfortunately the bulk of both your main parties support and aid what Israel is doing.
Which right now happens to be a genocide that it's everyone's duty as a human being, to try to stop.
If they don't think it's genocide they are choosing to turn a blind eye.
I disagree. The situation is not simple and one sided. For example, I can easily say that if you are for immediate cease fire, then you are for Hamas staying in power. And Hamas does openly state that they would like to destroy all Jews in Israel and Israel itself, and in fact were showing how they would do it by recent events. Basically Hamas official policy is Jewish genocide. So, that makes you genocide supporter, right?
Hamas' official policy is to accept the 1967 borders and a two state solution. It seems like you have a problem separating reality from propaganda.
Just gonna say: Hamas's official policy is that a two-state solution would be enough as accomplishment of their goals. That aside, even if Hamas goes away someone worse will take their place. To steal a random quote from the internet: The next generation of Palestinian terrorists/freedom fighters will think and do things that will make ISIS look like peace-loving hippies.
I can easily say that if you are for immediate cease fire,
"But did they CoNdEmN Hamas?!" has gotten quite worn out. The answer is... nobody except Hamas is for Hamas. Most people have condemned hamas. Most people are not for Hamas, and that argument only holds water with people that have already decided to support genocide.
Did they threaten to vote for Trump
Trump's name is not mentioned once in the story, something you might have learned if you had bothered to actually read it.
Edit: Apparently the downvoters haven't bothered either.