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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s not just capitalism though, it’s innovation and the arts. Our development as a species is partly contingent on population, on more chances of finding that genius, more excess capacity that can be devoted to things not obviously profitable. I disagree with the open endedness of your statement, the rate of change.

Given

  • we can’t keep growing
  • we’re probably beyond sustainable capacity for this planet

I’ll agree with

  • we need to slow and stop population growth
  • shrinking population would be better

But disagree

  • the rate of drop is important - we want to reduce harm, societal stress, conflict
  • we want to plateau at some population well into the billions but less than today

Most importantly, fertility trends look like we’re heading for a fairly steep drop in population as the current generations age out and pass. We are heading toward disruption, societal stress, conflict.

It’s unclear how to stabilize the birth rate for that lower plateau, since we’re mature enough to not go back to oppressing women (I hope), but clearly we’re disincenting children and will quite likely regret that in a generation or two, for most developed countries. For the long term future of humanity and our society, we need to start making tweaks now, when they’re just tweaks. Start making it easier to have children. Start helping parents more. Start making it easier to grow up. Look after our future as a species rather than freeload off the personal choices of individuals.

I do compare it with our treatment of climate change. We failed to make small changes when small changes would have been sufficient. The longer we wait, the bigger, more disruptive, more expensive the changes will need to be. We’re bad at looking ahead and setting longe term priorities but need to get better fast

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We need financial and quality of life incentives to pump the gas and brakes on babies.

We need to match the death rate with the birth rate and move that disparity super slowly.

Too many geriatrics, worker class gets f'd