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[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

Ok, lets go down the line of things happening here.
You kill data mining, great, awesome! You have my support!
Oh, but suddenly, worldwide, hundred of thousands of job fall. Data brokers fall first. Their servers drop and the thousands of project managers, database administrators, developers, product managers and all in between get without a job.
Ok but fine, maybe they can find a new job! Positive thinking! It is a big world after all!

Oh, but the data brokers are gone, so now analysists cant tell what people will like, what they dont, what works and doesnt. Whoops. But hey, nothing bad those are gone! Maybe they can find jobs down town in the factory that doesnt exists or uses robots.

No analysists, so maybe trying to make that one show or product you like doesnt sound that attractive to produce anymore. Hey, who knows who'll buy it right? Maybe that product you like will make a few wrong guesses and die out. But nothing bad, another company will fill the hole left behind by dieing companies!

Now scientists ( im including computer scientists here ) cant access data at large anymore either because data brokers are forbidden in proxy. Shit, how are we going to get our data about diseases now. From a limited set? Okidoki! Our research says 90% of tested people get cancer from drinking water. Water is deadly now guys! Our data of 10 people said it was!
How do we process patient data to find problems before hand, easy we dont lawl. Who needs that stuff anyway!

Oh hey, since nobody is allowed to collect and sell data anymore, those few sites you use will die. They cant maintain the costs of research & development nor the hosting. So they have to paywall their site or close the doors, like the good old days with newspapers, pubs, cafe's and television! Those were the days! But i like to pay for quality stuff so they can live! Ok, now lets do that for every site you visit and use in your day-to-day life!

Look, you get the picture i hope. I hate data collecting and have systems in check to hopefully poison the well myself. But your shortsighted approach is not the solution. The world is a hell a lot more complex than that.
Sources to this line of thinking: me, who works in healthcare, my brother working as a project manager in a data company to use in researches, and my other brother working as cto in electricity facilities.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Uhh. This was a fun slippery slope to slide down, but whatever you claim are your credentials, the core premise is completely incorrect.

  1. Data brokers that buy, sell, and analyze user data for advertising purposes have absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of scientific data collection and analysis. No healthcare or research scientist is harvesting your clicks on facebook to analyze diseases. Nor are they funded by your clicks on facebook. They're not even using the same infrastructure - most healthcare databases have way more privacy restrictions already in place and are owned and operated by different companies.
  2. Companies were perfectly capable of figuring out what products were attractive before any of this existed, and the primary benefit of harvesting user data for advertising isn't to provide a good product, it's to outcompete all the other nearly identical products, including the ones that are objectively better.
  3. Industries that don't benefit society don't get to keep existing just because they employ people. Switchboard operators - unlike personal data brokers -were critical for communications. Those jobs didn't need to keep existing just to keep those people employed.
[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

They will die and new ones will rise. Fuck any job that is based on data mining and the predatory usage of said mining.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Datamining is the reason every fucking second of our lives is monetized.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago

They cant maintain the costs of research & debelopment nor the hosting. So they have to paywall their site or close the doors

The irony of posting this comment on Lemmy, which runs based on donations. It isn't paywalled, and doesn't require data mining to operate. As well as Wikipedia which is completely free, and wildly successful. Which again doesn't need to violate your privacy to continue existing.

Not to mention, not every website is making money off selling your data, and are instead selling goods or services. Which can continue to operate and make money just fine.

The fact you think the economy would collapse because data miners would lose their jobs, is showing your bias.

Nek minnit you'll be telling me we ought not stop fighting needless wars whenever the US beckons us, because of all the poor weapons contractors losing work (massive hyperbole, but you get my point).

People working in data mining have heaps of transferrable skills, they would be totally fine.

The internet existed before enshitification, and it certainly could afterwards.

Would you have to pay a little more to access certain things? Sure. But I find the argument that the internet would cease to function very unconvincing.