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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/38506198

Frank Taylor’s idea for the Stable Recovery program was born six years ago out of a need for help on his family’s 1,100-acre farm that has foaled and raised some of racing’s biggest stars in the heart of Kentucky horse country.

The area is also home to America’s bourbon industry and racing has long been associated with alcohol.

“If a horse won, I drank a lot,” Taylor said. “If a horse lost, I drank a lot.”

The basic framework for the program at Taylor Made Farm came from a restaurant he frequents whose owner operates it as a second-chance employment opportunity for people in recovery. Taylor thought something similar would work on his farm, given the physical labor involved in caring for horses and the peaceful atmosphere.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Frank Taylor’s idea for the Stable Recovery program was born six years ago out of a need for help

And a desire to not pay that help, apparently. He might eventually offer them a job, but even then it only pays a decent wage after 90 days.

The goal is to keep men in the program for a year as opposed to other recovery programs that run for 30, 60 or 90 days.

Yeah I bet. Free help for a year is a pretty sweet deal.

This isn't that uplifting after all. Maybe it helps, I don't doubt that, but Taylor gets a shitload of value out of it ($17/hr, purportedly what that labor is worth, times 2080 hours in a year = ~$35k per person per year.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Geez, the cynicism runs deep with this one.

The wages you're quoting is on top of the fact that they don't charge anything for any of this until the men start working at which point it is $100 a week for food, shelter, clothing, and transportation. Do you know how much the average recovery program costs a patient? About $6k a month. The purpose, community, and stability these men are finding here is priceless.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except the men are working for the entire year that they're there (if they stay that long) for, effectively, room and board? Maybe it's worth it to them, I dunno, all I know is Taylor is getting a pretty sweet deal. Re:recovery programs - you mean the kind that provide active support, regular counseling, etc like this guy isn't providing? And do you know how much AA meetings cost? Nothing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're working and receiving room, board, and around $35k/yr. And a stable, supportive environment where they get transportation to outpatient counseling services, where the counselors stay in regular communication with the folks who run the program. You're making this sound like it's a grift

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Once they're hired (if they're hired), but the impression I got from the article is that they are not paid for that initial year. Yeah recovery programs cost money, but also I didn't see anything in the article about counselors, so it's more like summer camp for adults who are already in recovery on their own (they require 30 days sober to join) and need a way to stay clean. Which, fair enough, that's a valuable service, but I don't think it's $35k worth of free labor valuable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think we are reading it differently. From the article, emphasis added:

"[Their day] includes rising at 4:30 a.m., cleaning their room, keeping the public areas spotless. There are Alcoholic Anonymous meetings at 6 a.m. and work hours run from 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. four days a week. Life on the farm involves grooming the horses, getting them out of their stalls and into the pastures daily, visits from veterinarians and farriers, and farm maintenance.

The other days the men attend therapy offsite or visit doctors in an effort to build their sobriety. Stable Recovery partners with an outpatient treatment program that provides classes and therapists and both sides keep in constant communication."

So work is a part of the program, not something that comes afterwards. I did not see anything saying they are not paid for the initial year. It says they are not paid until they start working (but neither are they charged). How soon they start working probably depends on going through some training and whether or not they have prior experience in the industry, but the point is that it doesn't say anything about a year before they can work. It says the goal is to have them in the program for a year, but work is part of the program.

And as the second paragraph points out, they partner with therapists and doctors in outpatient treatment. It's not just AA meetings.

One thing I missed until I reread this was that their work week is 4 days. Another reason I don't think this is about taking advantage of anyone.

For what it's worth 30 days of sobriety is a minimum standard for most sober living programs. It improves the odds of success and reduces the chances that someone will bring a substance into the community. It's not like they are fine after 30 days, it is a bare minimum standard needed to make the rest of treatment effective.

Idk, seems like they are genuinely interested in the well-being of the participants.

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