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Funny.
In Europe we've the same discussion for the opposite reasons.
Do not let the cat outside, it will kills other animals.
But that's the point. I don't want mice around the house.
This works for people with empathy who care. The former works for people who are selfish. Both are good to tell people. One may work where the other doesn't.
birds are annoying and eat herbs in my garden, my cat eats slightly less of the garden and provides me with entertainment and bird removal.
Fr, all these sparrows do is eat our crops. What could possibly go wrong if we kill all of them?
You can use netting to keep them off or your garden or just grow enough to have enough after they need or both
The birds do a lot more for you than just eating herbs in your garden. You just aren't aware of it, until they're gone at least. Stop thinking you're more important than the ecosystem.
there are so many birds and so much environment I don't think a cat occasionally escaping from my house will do much harm.
Well guess what, most ecological destruction is caused by people with that exact mindset.
Domestic cats are responsible for the extinction of several species.
They think that cats kill every single bird and don't think about what massive harm humans have done.
They are delusional and don't understand nature and reality.
These people probably think meat comes from the grocery store.
I can't fathom how out of touch you have to be to blame cats for everything humans have done. Sure, cats hunt, but to say they are destroyers of entire species is beyond delusion and into severe mental health territory.
Showing a graphic about how buildings kill fewer birds than cats is asinine and disingenuous, to say the least.
Maybe compare cats to urban sprawl to see what that says about who kills and displaced wild animals. Hypocrites the lot of them.
Let me get this clear. You think humans are responsible for the damage they cause to the environment and we should be aware and take responsibility for it, correct?
I don't think anyone disagrees with that evaluation. However, our impact is not only limited to what we build. It also includes our actions. We have hunted species into extinction, which is bad, right?
If that's bad, things we choose to bring with us we're also responsible for, and hunting things out of extinction that don't just go extinct from normal environmental changes is bad, then bringing cats with us that hunt things to extinction is bad, correct?
This isn't saying they're the only bad things were responsible for. That would be a ridiculous thing to believe. It's just saying we are responsible for them, and they do cause damage to the ecosystem, including full on extinction events on occasion. (See: the other comment here that includes a list of species that no longer exist because of cats.) You agree, right?
So I live in an apartment which by virtue of going up uses far less space, I keep my cats indoors and take them on walks outside, and I didn't create a bunch of kids and instead chose to raise one that already existed. You can always do more.
Im glad for you and your cats. They are probably very happy living with you.
What I'm arguing against is the hypocrisy that is being said in regards to cats and them being the destroyer of birds, as some have said.
They argue that cats kill all birds, and the poor birds are all dead because of it; without recognizing the fact that humans are the biggest displacers and destructors of fauna.
My brother in Christ, cats have made species go extinct because humans bring them everywhere. It's our responsibility.
Name one species.
Here's 27
What are you smoking?
Definitely not the shit you smoke that rots your brain.
So, to your ridiculous rambling, the damage domestic cats do to the local ecosystem is damage that humans are causing. Which is why the entire discussion is about telling people not to let their cats outside.
But, one thing you need to realize is that just because the discussion is about damage caused by non-humans doesn't mean that people are ignoring the damage that humans cause.
It's like getting pissed off at BLM because the discussion is about black people and not all people.
Hahahahahaha, nice strawman.
Please define strawman for me and explain how my comment qualifies.
It's really both. Eventually cat will get into an accident, but on the way there it will take a whole bunch of smaller animals and birds with it.
Never had a cat that got into an accident, though one of my current cats is an idiot when it comes to walking across the drive
This reads a bit like "that hasn't happened to me so that doesn't happen".
"I don't wear my seatbelt, but nothings happened so it's probably fine"