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I have no desire to reason with Nazis, I believe the only kind of good Nazi is a dead Nazi, and I genuinely believe it is my moral duty to punch a Nazi on site. But I don't have to pretend their not human to do that. Evil is a human thing. No other animal does that. You have to recognize it for what it is and root it out. Calling them not human doesn't help anything.
Openly displaying the attitudes they have for all other people's towards them is done as a reminder of their garbage dehumanising rhetoric.
Just like you have a duty to punch a Nazi, you have a duty to dehumanise them.
It's not because we believe anyone should ever be dehumanised —and we loudly proclaim that is our actual belief, enshrined in international human rights laws — it's because it's a rhetorical reminder of what Nazis do.
Like you say, of course they are people. In fact, the exact problem is the banality of evil. Historically pretty much a major portion of the Nazi party at it's height were completely normal "law-abiding citizens". Everyone knows what "I was just following orders" refers to. And that's exactly it.
Those people are using it as an excuse, like "no-one told me it was wrong or shocking, I was merely acting like any reasonable person would".
Had there been someone constantly yelling in their ear, about what cowardly shitbags they are, for not putting their life on the line, to resist the rhetoric coming from the actually fucked up psychopaths at the helm, maybe they couldn't have reasonably used the "I'm just following orders" excuse.
So yeah. We need to dehumanise them all. I wouldn't dehumanise like a 100 year old granny who was a member in 1942 or anything, obviously, but as far as rhetoric on the internet goes? They're not people. Anyone directly supporting actual Nazi rhetoric deserves to be dehumanised for that reason until they change their views.
Quite a philosophically naive argument, no offense. Animals eat their kids. Dolphins rape fish. Mushrooms take over ants make them zombies. Chimps even have wars.
But since you don't think they possess the capacity to understand it's "evil", it's not?
So... a dumb Nazi isn't an evil Nazi? Or if you dehumanise a Nazi, it makes their actions acceptable? I don't really get where you're going with that particular point. (Sorry, I've a pet peeve about the naturalistic fallacy.)
Ugh 🙄 internet "philosophers". I'll see you in the front lines, dude. We'll have a good laugh about how unnecessary this argument was once we're there
No, you won't.
My war time posting is not in the front lines. It's about ~30km behind them. In a leadership position.
(Yes, that's the backside of my dogtags. I'm hardly going to dox myself by filming the front.)
Edit also, most communication is online nowadays, even academic. Everyone is constantly online. You can just call me a philosopher, no need for the "internet" or the quotations.
An "Internet philosopher" is a particular type of person. If you're serious about ending fascism, then our petty little back and forth will not matter when it really comes down to it, then right?
Because, historically, dehumanization comes in handy when it comes to elimination, but not so helpful when it comes to the part that comes next. It seems like an excuse to not feel guilty for killing, and that seems like a dark path to go down.
You know, trying to explain your already bad joke isn't making it any funnier.
Ofc it will have. Everything matters. Some things more than others.
"Oh please, won't someone think of the Nazis?"
I don't think you've actually read anything I've written. That too, is an exaggeration, I don't literally mean that. I mean to say that you've not understood it for some reason. I'd like to point out that in my experience, the people who think calling someone an "internet philosopher" or "a fucking SJW" or "a keyboard warrior" (harder to call me a "keyboard warrior" when I'm actually part of the Finnish Defence Forces?) are usually slightly cognitively lazy and/or poorly educated people who just don't have the attention-span nor the skills to actually engage in such discussion. So you mock it as being too fancy, meaning it's too fancy... for you.
I can promise you not everyone share's your view.
It wasn't a joke?
And the only thing I want people to think about when it comes to Nazis is stopping them.
I genuinely just don't have the energy to go around and around in the same argument for literally years. So when I see somebody say something like (and I'm paraphrasing here) "If animals can't do evil then does that mean that dumb Nazis can't be evil too!?", it seems like the kind of gotcha moment that is built on a foundation of watching a lot of YouTube videos and then deciding that that's your whole personality.
Maybe the naturalistic argument your pet peeve, but it doesn't really change the point.
So in case you haven't been reading what I've been trying to lay out, it's this: Nazis are human beings. Not all human beings deserve your sympathy. In fact, some of them deserve your hatred. Nazis are amongst that group. If you can't realize that, then you are missing a HUGE thing about the capacity for great evil (and great good) that human beings have.
It's like when somebody call a serial killer a "monster". It's like, "No, monsters aren't real. That's a made up bed time story thing. That serial killer is a human being working within the capacities of a human being".
Still doing it.
You have to try and mock me a pseudointellectual, since you lack the intellect to engage with the arguments, so you mock it, while now writing a longer comment than mine.
Seems that you're projecting pretty strongly with that
I'm the guy who's been inspiring those YouTubers since the 90's, lol.
Did you forget the part where I'm in the Finnish Defence Forces?
People who decide to identify as actual Nazis in the 21st century literally lose their personhood.
"My rhetoric being fallacious garbage means nothing"
Yeah see before where I said you lack the intellect to understand let alone engage with my argument.
Monsters are very real. They just look exactly like everyone else. See before; "fallacious garbage".
You are missing the point and supporting Nazism, even if you can't understand the half a page argument with one link you need to check out (since you obviously haven't actually read 'The Banality of Evil').