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Have you given up on America? (kbin.melroy.org)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?

I think I have given up on America for it to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.

I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.

There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.

So what gives, really? Live your life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Kind of hard to build a community with the people with giant "fuck your feelings" flags on the side of their house.

That's what I'm saying, maybe you can't blame people for believing a lie but you can absolutely blame people for being literally antisocial and willfully ignorant.

I'm not going to waste my time and put my friends and family at risk by trying to build a community with people who would call them slurs. Especially because they are, fundamentally, antisocial assholes.

You try to build something with them and then as soon as that "thing" has any value they'll attack you and try to take it from you. That's their idea of a smart strong guy, being completely willing to fuck over and lie to other people. It's why trumps president, and he's still got north of 90% approval with people who voted for him, which makes up about 70% of my community.

As soon as you had more food then they deemed appropriate, which is going to be basically any amount, they'll take that using the guns they've been hoarding in the hopes of having an excuse to shoot me. Kinda hard to focus on food and security with those people.

Frankly I'm getting pretty tired of the response to me getting upset at fascist to be "yea but you gotta understand they've enthusisatically brainwashed themselves because somebody told them it was a trans person's fault their boss fired him and that seemed like a good point to them"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i never said you have to reach out to those who'd have your head on a platter. i am telling you to focus on mutual aid programs.

community farms, food pantries are a good place to start. find like minded people near you.

im not telling ya to turn chuds into allies, im telling you to focus on doing what you can for the people around you who want the same thing you do.

start small, doing things you can do and joining with existing orgs that are doing good work. build from there. that's what i mean.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm saying there's like 4 like minded people and we all already know each other. My mom's retired so she has time to volunteer at the local food pantry. The vast majority of people who come in are chuds who gloat to the volunteers about all the great stuff trumps doing because they know my mom and the other women who volunteer are all liberals.

I'm saying your strategy of not being realistic about how much of an impedance the slack jawwed local contingent is gonna be is flawed.

They're the one holding us back, as has been true for the entirety of this country, and saying it's not their fault that they are like this is a fundamental failure in planning.

It sucks but we've got to accept "if we just help these people improve their lives they'll come around" is literally not true. I live in upstate new york surrounded by people that would either freeze or starve to death in the winter if it weren't for state run organizations. They also all have giant flags on their homes and vehicles making it very clear they want to get rid of those programs because they dont like all the lazy undeserving people taking advantage of the programs that keep them alive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

i feel youre not really hearing me. for a change of pace, would you kindly tell me your strategy?