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You're free to think whatever you want about the right. You're making valid criticism, but it goes both sides!
The freedom in question is also the freedom of owning private property, like a house or objects... which tends to dissapear when you go to the far left, and everything is shared.
Right is also going in the meritocracy direction. People could make criticism by saying that political left doesn't reward intellectual jobs and studies, etc.. and give people that abuse a better life. Leaning towards political rights gets more logical when you benefit from it.
In the end, most people are selfish and will vote for whoever helps them the most. That's the world we live in. Being pro-left doesn't say shit if you have low income; you do not risk anything from it, and it might be selfish because it's mainly to serve your own interests. On the other side, being pro-right when you get taxed a shit load for hard work, which makes you feel scammed, is logical as well. Selfish, but logical.
But yea, in the current society, everyone wants money and wants to be rich, but to become rich, you have to be an asshole. Thanks, capitalism!
Ah yes, the lie of "you don't own things under communism"
I mean, come on, that's fucking stupid.
No, the only people who would have any property seized are the super rich, and most of them are lucky if they don't get the guillotine for their crimes.
You cannot have gross excess under communism, because you'll never be able to exploit your fellows in order to steal what should be shared.
The workers seize the means of production, and then produce. Then the factory shares the wealth created by the factory. You know, like a co-op.
That's small scale communism. Everyone chips in to work, and everyone gets a piece of the profit because everyone owns a slice of the company.
Anyway Marx and Engels thought that after reaching that point, the government would sort of wither away and everyone would live in fantasy land utopia.
The other way seems better, a one world government where every single person on earth has a vote, because there are some issues where everyone on earth should have a voice.
But that would require a massive change to, well, human nature to start. Making people less tribal or giving the vast majority of the population the ability to sit and consider what's good for the Earth, five, ten, or even a hundred years in the future, is a bit beyond me. Not something I'm every going to be capable of doing.
And surely each factory (because we all know the world only contains factories) will always sell at fair prices etc…
You’ll need a government of some sort to regulate, and people will always try to cheese the system. And giving a government this amount of power is recipe for disaster
Plus not all employees work as hard as the other…
I don't particularly care if one employee doesn't work as hard as the others, as long as they do their job. Co-opts have already figured out how to fire people for non-performance. It's a real job, with real responsibilities.
There's also more than enough abundance produced worldwide, to where everyone could have a comfortable life, regardless of how hard they work. And with more and more automation, work itself need not ever apply again.
As to how broken governments are, the reason why is right wingers working for the last half century in a coordinated manner to actively break government. They call it "starving the beast" when "the beast" was just making sure roads were built and rivers didn't randomly catch fire.
I’m sorry but you’ll not convince me. I still think such world isn’t viable economically, and has design flaws. Capitalism would work better is people weren’t selfish. Communism would work if people weren’t selfish, probably. Unfortunately, it’s not the case.
Thanks for being respectful though, appreciate it.
I'm still hung up on you "economically viable"...
So, because no one would be allowed to exploit the people for profit, it's not worth making the world a better place?
Even in the current capitalist society we have, a co-op can make money, (which is then shared equally with workers).
If every company and business were, by law, a co-op, without changing any other factor of society, you'd see all of that excess wealth that's normally hoarded by the few reinvested into making the economy stronger.
Because right now, under capitalism, we're always on the brink of a massive recession/depression. This is by design. See, the super rich can't buy up everything on the cheap, if they don't crash the economy every few years.
And that's your economically viable. Working more hours for less pay so that a rich asshole can buy yet another vacation home.