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[–] [email protected] 53 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

sending MS13 gang members to a prison in El Salvador.

Sending people they have claimed without evidence are MS13 gang members to a “prison” (torture murder facility - you look at the Google earth images of what looks like a puddle of blood by the facility and the fact that they’ve confirmed something like 100 people died there last year, that there is no release, and that they’re cramming people into such small living spaces the EU would consider it unethical for transporting livestock and tell me what you think)

They also just deported several children, who were American citizens. One of them was a toddler with cancer.

Yes, the CECOT has definitely been presented as the model of how strongmen should deal with the worst of the worst. And there's no doubt that there's an implicit cruelty and dehumanization in the treatment of the prisoners there. They leave the lights on 24 hours a day. They restrict the time of like about an hour a day, apparently, that prisoners can leave their cells.

The overcrowding is excessive to international standards and the access to toilets and other hygiene clearly seem to be limited. But those conditions seem better, in the sense that in other prisons we have seen testimonies of prisoners taking turns standing and lying down due to overcrowding.

Skin disease is rampant. It's more likely that prisoners in the other prisons have scabies on their skin or even signs of physical abuse than the tattoos that you see in the images that are often projected from CECOT.

I also read an account from a doctor that worked there that inmates with conditions like diabetes are not given their medication. That people are beaten upon arrival, to the point that some die. That people experiencing medical crises in the cells are ignored, left to die until the guards pick up the body the next day.

Even if everyone there was a gang member (there’s no due process in El Salvador, and there hasn’t been due process with the people we’ve been sending there) - that’s not how human beings should be treated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fwiw - subjunctive verbs are key to your intended meaning

Even if everyone there ~~was~~ were a gang member

Change to subjunctive to describe an imaginary situation

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

There’s a reason English is the only high school subject I’m not certified to teach… (grammar is boring)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Not to mention being in a gang is not illegal in the United States; commiting crimes is illegal.

Having gang-affiliated tattoos is not illegal either.

Also given their username, I'm guessing they're a troll.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Even if it was, they still deserve due process. Everyone deserves and is entitled to due process.

This isn't new, this shit goes back 800+ years to the Magna Carta.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Correct. This is Steve Bannon's "muzzle velocity" strategy at hand where there is so much wrong about this situation that it's hard to focus on a single point about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

It can also be extremely difficult to tell whether it’s an actual gang tattoo/clothing/symbol. Stuff like a Chicago Bulls jersey can be read as a gang symbol, or just that you really like the Bulls.

I taught kids who were in gangs - some of my students have died in the interim. The kids who were the most “visual” were the posers.