China today stands as the most aggressively innovative force in modern history. What truly matters isn't just the number of patents,it's the sheer volume of high-tech, cutting-edge developments they're churning out. These innovations are reshaping global industries at breakneck speed.
And soon enough, the West, clinging to its fading dominance, will have only one bitter word left to scream: "Stolen"
Same rhetoric as the "china is building ghost cities to inflate their gdp" then it turns out 10 years later millions live in them
A little different, a house will always be a house but a fake innovation won't necessarily become something useful down the line. It probably has an effect on local funding too, if a lab producing good work is overshadowed by a lab producing a lot more useless work just to inflate numbers, at first glance they latter group might get the funding on metrics alone.
Still, I can't imagine more than a third is doing that kind of behavior, even that seems like a lot, and this means China is still out innovating the world several times over.
This isn't accurate. A poorly made building is only as good as a useless patent. The shoddy work will require costly fixes or rebuilding entirely. Most capitalist economies turn this into a benefit, but communist administrators would understand that it's merely a drain on resources and labour, and be less likely to accept this preventable waste. Despite my lack of particular knowledge I'd guess that the PRC is more inclined to have a more sensible process regarding patents than the West.
I'm any case this sort of rumour is quite old, as the other comrade pointed out. The Chinese have been accused of stealing IP for decades (mostly by the people who sold the know-how) and hearsay of near meaningless papers churned out to pump up numbers was thrown around when Jiang was still in charge, probably started before.
I'm not arguing with your conclusions, but we needn't take projection or rumours from the dying hegemon at face value. This one stings me especially since I believed it for years and only questioned it once I was reminded of it, after I'd already become an ML.
Edit: You said you saw it on XHS and while I irritate myself in questioning the locals' account, that app also revealed they plenty of Chinese people aren't very worldly, so to speak. Thinking easily proven facts about the US and Europe being CPC propaganda and the like.
the fuck are you on
Not a real benefit, I mean like fake GDP growth from price hikes. It happens to benefit capitalists, and that's all the incentive necessary.
I was sleepy as hell too.
I thought the ghost cities thing was about building places that no one lived, not about the quality being low. It has been awhile.
You know there has been widespread and endless anti corruption efforts in China right? It seems like you are romanticizing the fact that they are communists, thinking that they will naturally choose the smart and efficient choices because they are communists, but tens of thousands of CPC members have decided to enrich themselves and been caught, not to mention those who have not been caught and non party member's. Chinese people are very aware of these issues and talk about them openly online. There will be biases and misinformation and rumors and the like but let's not assume that there can't be any truth to these things, this is naive. My main point was to say that even when adjusting for this, China is still doing amazing things. I just thought it was an interesting anecdote about the patents because they are so much higher volume that it can't be explained by population alone, and China also has a large base of educated workers who can't find jobs. Just interesting context to me
It's a similar problem, building in the middle of nowhere without planning will similarly have future costs. More importantly, those supposed ghost cities have hundreds of thousands of inhabitants now.
From my POV anti-corruption efforts, even though proof of past corruption without doubt, isn't a contradiction. It's very much the system working: anti-corruption efforts are nowhere to be seen in liberal democracies. Like all the other improvements in AES, the capitalist economies could do it, but never do.
Besides, I wrote about incentives and inclinations, not rich guy dumb commie smart. A faulty system that benefits oneself directly or one's benefactors doesn't provide an incentive to improve to replace that system. Similarly, someone without a liberal indoctrination, even if they're engaging in some (different kinds of?) corruption, would be more likely to see issues as they come up and more incentivised to fix them. None of this is to say China or other AES make no mistakes, there're plenty of errors to be found, big and small. But the structures that exist there are different than those in capitalist economies and as I understand them, have better incentives to catch long-term wasteful choices.
No you're right, the poor construction thing is a different anti china meme, the ghost city thing was propaganda like, they're wasting concrete and labor to do useless work just to juice their gdp. Like this is a game of vic3 and gdp means something real
But then it turns out years later people moved into them and the infrastructure is being used, like, westerners just took the ground work for a plan having no results and ran propaganda on that.
But then it turns out, ironically also like a game of vic3, building infrastructure for future growth is a good thing to do, who knew
There's separate anti China memes about construction quality, bad concrete or whatever, idk
Yeah, and honestly the construction issues seem to happen more in other countries. There's that big scandal right now with the building that collapsed in the Thai earthquakes, the only building in the area to collapse and the most recently built, and which the company touted their earthquake resistant design.
but yes, the crackers being confused about planning things in advanced that will affect millions of people's lives was a good one. It's amazing how many waves of anti-China memes that have happened over the years, and to look back now on how China's development has just changed everything.
I mean it's the same "perfidious asiatics just making shit up" rhetoric though
Ah I see, it was Chinese people talking about it on XHS.
Idk i don't care who is saying it im saying it has the same vibes as the ghost city propaganda where oh it can't be possible that china is actually creating that much value, they must be lying about it for nefarious reasons!
I hear you, I had someone tell me 10 years ago that my position in favor of China's counter terrorism measures in Xinjiang had the same vibes as the US using terrorism as a way to justify oppressing people in Afghanistan. China says they are terrorists, and now they are being oppressed by China in response, are you a denier of genocide? We see how that turned out, their vibes based analysis was very emotionally driven but not taking into account the very real things that exist in the material plane. I think a lot of vibes based analysis struggles to differentiate the content of things versus their forms.
Individual humans living within a capitalist society have material reasons to lie, and it may even be easier to get away with in a nation like China where they want to give money to people to do cool shit. I don't know if it is easier, but it isn't hard to imagine, based on the information available. China has had a long history of corruption, especially in the 80's and 90's, and Xi's political momentum lied heavily in his anti-corruption commitments. These things don't just go away overnight, and for a nation that is investing billions back into scientific research and development at an unprecedented scale, an opportunity arises for those who seek to get a piece of that action without being able to promise the results that funding warrants. The Chinese government has put out statements about patent fraud. People have been tried in court for these things, an example of which I linked in a different comment. I get that, at first glance, you see a comment online by a stranger and want to uplift the possibility that narratives critical of China could be based in Sinophobic rhetoric. My comment wasn't that, just relevant anecdote I heard from Chinese people in China about a real thing that is going on that Chinese people are talking about, in China. To me, an interesting peek into the incredibly competitive, endlessly expanding science machine that is developing in China which, if I'm being honest, is one of the few things I have hope for if our species is to survive.