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Idk i don't care who is saying it im saying it has the same vibes as the ghost city propaganda where oh it can't be possible that china is actually creating that much value, they must be lying about it for nefarious reasons!
I hear you, I had someone tell me 10 years ago that my position in favor of China's counter terrorism measures in Xinjiang had the same vibes as the US using terrorism as a way to justify oppressing people in Afghanistan. China says they are terrorists, and now they are being oppressed by China in response, are you a denier of genocide? We see how that turned out, their vibes based analysis was very emotionally driven but not taking into account the very real things that exist in the material plane. I think a lot of vibes based analysis struggles to differentiate the content of things versus their forms.
Individual humans living within a capitalist society have material reasons to lie, and it may even be easier to get away with in a nation like China where they want to give money to people to do cool shit. I don't know if it is easier, but it isn't hard to imagine, based on the information available. China has had a long history of corruption, especially in the 80's and 90's, and Xi's political momentum lied heavily in his anti-corruption commitments. These things don't just go away overnight, and for a nation that is investing billions back into scientific research and development at an unprecedented scale, an opportunity arises for those who seek to get a piece of that action without being able to promise the results that funding warrants. The Chinese government has put out statements about patent fraud. People have been tried in court for these things, an example of which I linked in a different comment. I get that, at first glance, you see a comment online by a stranger and want to uplift the possibility that narratives critical of China could be based in Sinophobic rhetoric. My comment wasn't that, just relevant anecdote I heard from Chinese people in China about a real thing that is going on that Chinese people are talking about, in China. To me, an interesting peek into the incredibly competitive, endlessly expanding science machine that is developing in China which, if I'm being honest, is one of the few things I have hope for if our species is to survive.