So I was browsing reddit out of boredom, and I saw a random post on the hoi4 subreddit and I clicked it without much thought. It was about Chinese players giving bad reviews to the game due to India getting cores for Tibet but not China. I clicked on it due to my masochistic desire to see if anyone else would recognize how stupid it was, and was sorely disappointed.
There were the usual 'muh ccp' jokes there, also shit about 'west taiwan' (ah yes 'I understand history very well'), and then one guy who really caught my attention saying Chinese 'people' (savages) don't matter because they speak a different language from 'us' (the civilized white people). Now granted that isn't the most charitable interpretation, but... like... come on, this is reddit.
Shit like this makes my blood boil. Because libs will go, 'oh we accept everyone!' 'we hate the government not the people!' and drop the most disgusting garbage like this because they're proud little pigs knowing how much propaganda they can fucking shove down their own throats and see an entire race as subhuman. I've always thought reeducation was better than punishment and that a lot of these folks are simply misguided, but jesus christ they're not making it easy for me to suppress the desire to bind them to a rock with metal chains and beat their ribs to pieces with my bare fists and/or a metal bar while screaming "BEG FOR MERCY NOW YOU RACIST SHIT-FOR-BRAINS!"
It gets even more frustrating when it's people you know in real life. I have a trans friend who generally has pretty good takes on stuff like palestine, disabled rights etc, but even he regurgitates the same shit from the state department and about how he'd 'definitely kill xi if he got the chance.'
It's so fucking tiring that these assholes can just turn the 'counts as human' switch on and off whenever they want for whatever race they want and suffer no consequences whatsoever. Really makes me wish I could Diver Down their screens and remind them of the weight of their words by bashing in their pale distorted sweaty reddit faces.
rant over.
I don't know if theyre bots or just chronically online brainwormed people or a combination of both, but honestly in the real world anti China sentiment isn't nearly as strong as online spaces would lead you to believe.
Are you for real saying this after watching the slew of "At What Cost" China bad articles and the profound impact they had on discussion relating to Chinese politics? From the same government that put millions into "Anti-China propaganda" specifically?
Or are you saying this after Filipinos and other SE asians are harassed in L.A, Florida and Texas? I'll make sure to tell my partner that their problems are actually just made up by "chronically online brainwormed people". Perhaps a combination of both, right?
You would be surprised. I had a piece of shit trying to lecture me on Chinese treatment of muslims the same afternoon the IOF killed 500 people in strike on a refugee camp.
This person is completely ignoring the flare of Uighur propaganda being used like a "gotcha" when it came to actual discussion from left-wingers on the Israeli genocide. I'm convinced they're one of those "GOSH BRO, I'M SUCH A SUPER COOL STOIC" who believes all politics is dominated by brain-worms, doesn't pay attention to them and has their bias reconfirmed in a loop.
South Park syndrome. Not a review of the show but rather its world view that caring about anything is not cool and everything is "gay" (the show's derogatory use of the term, not mine) or whatever. Actually it is a review of the show, fuck it. Just surface level critique and stupid as shit at that.
I used to be a huge fan of South Park, up until the episode that portrayed China as having concentration camps
Same, ngl. But there are things I was able to enjoy before I learned that a lot of things that seem radical or whatever, really aren't. I.e. the Chinese concentration camps is just bland liberal propaganda. As someone once said, the fact that they went to the Oscars wearing dresses isn't rebellious because in the end they still went to the Oscars, they just also want to be perceived as rebels at the same time.
The cool thing about imaginary genocides is that they can always be worse than real world genocides, because they are only limited by imagination.
In the real world it is far more casual and internalized. It's never a racist frothing at the mouth about people, it's always just someone saying something ignorant that others people.
I wouldn't say that frothing at the mouth racists don't exist at all, but I definitely agree with your sentiment that much of racism is less visible than that.
All the people I know have internalized sinophobia and russo phobia. It's pathetic. One of them was born in the USSR and thinks russian are out to get her. Her family is russian, dog gammit!
I have been accused of being pro china because I was not jumping on the china bad bandwagon. My actual stance is that all organized states are bad and these people know it!
I guess being from Apartheidland (no, the one in africa was the copycat) and having no culture of its own but american propaganda movie is some sort of an explanation, of not an excuse.
But yeah, it's anedoctally endemic to "liberal by default" people from my experience.
Maybe it's just because I'm a crackerburb cracker whose social circle comprises other crackerburb crackers, but in meatspace the opinions I've come across range from, at best, seeing the Chinese as backwards savages to, at worst, basically Satan.
I am not a cracker nor is my social circle mostly composed of crackers. A lot of muslims and nonmuslim brown and black people love cracker lib crocodile tears because they are very nourishing or because they are thoroughly assimilated into the middle and upper classes of america believe this shit. The fact that they can never be white like let's say the Irish or Italian or lately zionists hasn't revealed itself to them.
No, it's not just you. There's plenty of people from all groups who believe China is either some world-conniving cabal or libs who think they're authoritarian snakes trying to coopt democracy globally.
Somehow this person has not put together where those opinions or values may be coming from, especially when the government is literally out-loud saying they're pouring money into "anti-china" propaganda.
Disagree, my local takeaways still get there windows panned in monthly with racial slurs put all over them referencing asian tropes + even bringing up china in a mildly positive way is enough for libs to try and socially ostracize you for not repeating their gestapo narratives on the Untermensch
It's pretty common place. I know someone who worked in China decades ago who claims they can't innovate because their people just don't think correctly. I know people in the military who constantly talk about Chinese hacking and how if we're not careful we'll all be speaking Chinese after they invade us. It's everywhere.
It's funny hearing westerners project their own intentions onto China. You know for certain that if they had their way, they absolutely would force the Chinese to only speak English.
Hong kong is quite literally the example of this, they forced them into speaking english and enacted an aperthied against those who where from the mainland into HK as they did with South Africa.
It depends, maybe you don't experience it but I constantly hear that kind of garbage.
ehh i don't know. from my own experience, i haven't found a single person that speaks highly of china and chinese people in mexico 💀 its the same racists talking points always, "chinese are filthy" "cheating is in their blood" "if its chinese made its garbage", are some things i regularly hear from my good catholic acquaintances. the west and western adjacent countries have very deeply internalized racism is almost insane
but all the best stuff is made in China
I think it's not as clumsy in the real world (most people aren't redditors), but there's still plenty of ambient negativity that is not even remotely challenged. A statement as benign as "the Chinese government is doing a lot of good things" will usually invite a bunch of the standard propaganda as pushback.
Maybe it's where I'm from, but whenever people open their mouths about China here, they never have good things to say...
Try hanging out with fewer YT people.
I can promise you it is not only a YT thing; it is a majority YT thing for sure. Mexico is an example of this. When I lived in Florida, some of the most hostile opinions I came across about China was from Latin-Americans (specifically Nicaraguans and Puerto Ricans from what I'VE met, not sure if there is sociological basis to that in Nicaragua or Puerto Rico or just observer bias).
This was observed from my co-workers, some local work I did down there with IWW and bus-stop stranger talk. Most of it was just political talk but there was a few comments on my partner. (Yes, I talk about politics at a Florida bus-stop because I fucking hate myself)
My boss would NOT entertain anything nice to say about China, even passively. Also, I'm not saying there is an inherent racism amongst Nicaraguans and Puerto Ricans. Something sociologically was encouraging deep sinophobia and I'm curious on what it was. Or I just met some particularly sinophobic people in the area.
if the us can be considered the stronghold of the petit bourgeoisie of the global south (gusanos), florida is their capital lol.
The only good thing about that place is the fact I met the love of my life there and the NASA museum is sick as hell.
That's about it.
well you both found a needle in a haystack then!
(lets still nuke that place)