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Obama, Harris, Biden and Clinton are all liberals.
A liberal is a centre-left winger who actually has a chance of winning.
Half of those people lost, and one of the winner's reelection campaign was going so badly that he had to resign. Meanwhile, the, "far-left," alternative to them had more favorable polling numbers in the last 3 elections. After the last 10 years, I'm not sure there's any serious way to argue that the center-left are the only ones who have a shot of winning.
When was the last night a ‘far-left’ alternative had a chance of winning?
Sanders. His polling numbers were better against Trump than the last three Democratic candidates, but the party leadership organized to block him in favor of centrist liberals. Biden was the only one of those liberals who was able to eke out a win against Trump, and he was on track to lose worse than Carter lost to Regan when he dropped his reelection bid.
Sanders couldn’t even win a primary and you’re talking about hypothetical polling numbers?
A) Poll numbers are all hypothetical. Non-hypothetical poll numbers are called election results. In every poll, Sanders was beating Trump by more points than any of the Democratic nominees. We'll never know for sure if Sanders would have won, but our best evidence showed he would have performed better than the Democratic nominee.
B) Yes, a coordinated effort by the Democratic party blocked Sanders in 2016 and 2020. He couldn't overcome this institutional opposition, so the Democrats' preferred candidates won the primaries. One of those candidates lost in 2016, while the other won in 2020 but imploded before 2024. We are currently living with the results of the Democrats' attempts to select a, "centre-left winger who actually has a chance of winning," and it turns out those results are almost entirely losses.
When has a far left candidate won?
Liberals are not left wing, the left starts at the abolition of capitalism. Without that they cannot back up any concept of equality or equity.
I think you’re confusing the left with far left idealists. “Right wing” and “left wing” are symbolic terms that once represented the right and left sides of the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.
So the “left” is referencing democrats/liberals, not anti-capitalists.
You might want to either co-opt a different term, or better yet- come up with something new.
No matter how much you liberals whine, you're not left wing. The left starts are the abolition of capitalism, as equality and equity cannot exist under capitalism.
As far as the origin of the term.... That's not how language works. It evolves over time. The liberals haven't been included in the left since you people appointed Hitler after instigating more than a decade of institutional violence against communists.
You're not left wing, you're the exclusive reason fascists have ever gained power.
ROFL! You’re just going to lean into the bullshit, eh?
Okay, well… here ya go:
https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-political-labels-left-wing-and-right-wing-originate
Maybe co-opt a different term? Or better yet, come up with a brand new one. Just be sure to make it sound as ridiculous as your propaganda campaign has been.
I have no fucking idea what that even means, but… HOLY FUCKING SHIT! In one paragraph. You acknowledge that history can change the meaning of a term, and in another, you blatantly accuse modern day liberals of being fascist because of shit that happened in the 1930’s?
That is some Olympic-level mental gymnastics! And god dammed hilarious!
You’re definitely trolling. There’s no doubt.
...and that's why you don't win.
That's fine, liberalism will be overthrown like it's sister ideology feudalism before it.
So the left will be overthrown is what you’re saying?
Wow… are you a parody account?
Liberals didn't elect Trump, fascist, though. Does not compute.
Liberals also got the Civil rights Act of 1964 passed in Congress, despite MLK's prior Birmingham letter.
To equate American Democratic liberalism of today to German parties of the 1930s... Yeesh.
ahahaha liberals HATED MLK, he is only considered a popularly liked relatively uncontroversial political figure because leftists beat down the doors of liberals who would have rather plugged their ears and let the status quo continue indefinitely while telling black men football isn't the right place to ask for empathy for black lives as that is political and sports aren't....
Imagine if Bernie Sanders was black, even more radical and you lived during a time that being centrist meant at a minimum being pretty damn racist...
And yet.
... Wait for it...
Liberals actually got laws passed.
Now tell me — just for contrast — what did the conservatives of the time do when those same "leftists" beat down their doors...? That's right: laughed at them if they didn't lynch them.
Welcome to your first lesson in Pyrrhic Victories vs. Pragmatic Progress.
(And by the way, since you raised Bernie Sanders... With whom does he caucus with >90% of the time? And which ticket did he run as President under... Twice?)
Who gives a fuck — I did. They didn't mention Hitler; yet you brought him up, didn't you, buddy? Liberals did not elect Trump, fascist.
No, Liberals did not caucus for Trump. Before going further back to the 1930s, perhaps learn more recent history? Overextending your confidence past your knowledge is called ignorant arrogance. Self-identifying liberals in America did not elect Trump, fascist. I'll await your exit-polling data to prove otherwise. Good Luck.
Why do you keep discussing other nations? lol. Yeah... America bad, but boy, your nations sure did immigrate to here en-masse (Do I need to teach you a lesson in history regarding Ellis Island?) to create the "Melting Pot of the World," huh buddy? Which is fine, I'm not opposed. But it's amusing to hear you try to drive wedges among allies in an obviously very Pro-Kremlin Talking-Points fashion.
Anyways. Bad Troll.
Nope, this discussion is over since I hit your censor and have violated us law on misinformation.
Speaking of censorship, just tell me really quickly:
Was The Tienamen Square Massacre real and an inhumane response by the CCP, despite Chinese censorship?
Do you agree the CCP's actions against Uyghurs and Tibetan is inhumane and cruel?
Also, do you agree Putin probably secretly dresses as a Gay Clown despite such imagery being censored in Russia?
Do you agree Russia's aggressive offensive preemptive invasion of Ukraine is a war crime and attemptes Genocide?
Do you agree Kim Jung Un is morbidly obese and their entire country is regressive and oppressed?
Edit: Hahah they ran away but DM'd me saying, "Enjoy fascism. Since you find it preferable to freedom." LOL. Wtf?
Afraid we are going for the torture nexus future.