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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Your view about this topic is woefully uninformed and because of that you're going to end up hurting the people you want to help. I care about voting patterns because it affects whether genocide happens or not. Do you think I'm bothering you about your votes for fun?

Actually, here, let me be helpful by explaining exactly why it matters. I'll assume you're going to vote only off of the Israel-Palestine genocide issue, and don't care about anything that's happening inside of the US, since that appears to be your position so far. Let's go over the options:

  • Vote for Kamala: She could have tried to stopp the genocide, but didn't; and was likely to continue it for far too long, if she stopped it at all. Outcome: Genocide, and both parties see you accept that
  • Vote for Trump: He indicated very clearly that he wanted to wipe Gaza off the face of the Earth. Outcome: Genocide, and both parties see you accept that
  • Vote Third Party: Won't affect who wins this election, but will indicate that you won't vote for a party who supports genocide, regardless of whether the other party is worse. Outcome: Genocide, but both parties see that they're losing your vote by supporting genocide. If enough people voted third party, this is the only option that would actually prevent the genocide in Gaza
  • Don't Vote: Won't affect who wins this election, and won't indicate much to either party. Outcome: Genocide, and neither party sees your protest effectively

Third party is clearly the best choice to prevent genocide in the future, and is technically the best choice to prevent the Gaza genocide now (although the chances of that succeeding are vanishingly small). Tell me where I went wrong if you think that's not correct, because I'm pretty confident that it's right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Voting 3rd party would not have stopped anything, because TPTB don't care about you. Vote for them, don't vote for them, they literally do not care.

We saw it with Hillary in 2016 and we're seeing it with Harris now... "Well, clearly I'm not the problem, it's the people who were wrong..."

Harris, who REPEATEDLY called for a cease fire and a two state solution WAS the best answer to the genocide, but the morons who stayed home or voted 3rd party at best intentionally ignored what she was saying, at worst distorted it into "she supports genocide!"

October:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/18/politics/kamala-harris-michigan-gaza/index.html

She said the war “must end such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination.”

July:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

“So to everyone who has been calling for a cease-fire, and to everyone who has been calling for peace, I see you and I hear you. Let’s get the deal done so we can get a cease-fire to end the war. Let’s bring the hostages home, and let’s provide much-needed relief to the Palestinian people.”

March:
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/03/1235712368/kamala-harris-gaza-ceasefire-israel-aid

"What we are seeing every day in Gaza is devastating. We have seen reports of families eating leaves or animal feed, women giving birth to malnourished babies with little or no medical care, and children dying from malnutrition and dehydration," Harris said. "Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed."

"No excuses," the vice president said. "They must ensure humanitarian convoys are not targeted and restore basic services and order in Gaza so more food, water and fuel can reach those in need."

That is not what someone says when they are pro-genocide. That sounds like this:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/04/04/trump-israel-gaza-public-relations

"They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”