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Yes.
-Instagram has pixelfed. -Reddit has lemmy -X has Mastodon/Misskey/Pleroma (&forks..) -Tiktok has loops (app still super rough around the edges and sadly on limited to one instance rather than having its own software from what i understand) -Youtube has peertube (so far the least used i think)
Yea peertube is rough... Mostly in part due to, in my opinion at least, people wanting to make use of YouTube's ad revenue system even tho most creators I watch making most of their income via donations rather than ad revenue.
Is there federated Tumblr? @[email protected] is still on Tumblr and drag wants to get thing away from corporate media even if Tumblr has a better record than literally every other corpo media
Microblogging is covered by Mastodon and Pleroma. People there could easily use them for the same content. There are a ton of options to crosspost tumblr to Mastodon.
The biggest problem is discovery on Tumblr is a LOT easier than Mastodon, you have to advertise and advocate for yourself
Sorry, genuinely forgot what tumblr even does/is lol.
lmao. Bot got drag to make an account and tried to teach drag, and drag still doesn't get it either. Bot can explain.
I dont understand how to join or post on peertube, its the most confusing, do you host your own, is there a feed of all the servers?
You just pick an instance and join it, sadly i don't think it has enough federation yet so its entirely possible u just chose a bad instance and have amazing creators sitting on other instances yours isn't federated with
If you f up and join lemmy.dbzero you wont see any posts from lemmyworld users and the same issue if you join the other
Incorrect, I'm on dbzer0 and see all of LW just fine
Can they not see you? Or is it just piracy stuff
Just the one community about piracy. The rest can be seen both ways
That's actually not true. Lemmy.world and lemmy.dbzer0.com are fully federated, you can see for yourself if you check the instances tab.
The only thing that people incessantly complain about is that lemmy.world blocked one single community from dbzer0, the piracy community. For an account on lemmy.dbzer0, that has absolutely no effect. For an account on lemmy.world, that just means they need an alt if they want to participate in that one community. The two userbases can still fully interact all over lemmy, it's just that lemmy.world decided to block the piracy community to cover their asses legally.
Look, here's https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected]
But people make such a big deal about that one blocked community that a lot of people get the idea that they are defederated or something. You're not the first person I've had to correct about this, not even the first this week lol.
Does this help?
https://docs.joinpeertube.org/use/setup-account
I can't wait for peertube to take off. I think of all of the social medias, youtube has the most enduring monopoly, because hosting is such a huge barrier it's got even more of a natural monopoly than regular social media.
I think once peertube can start ascending that might be the ballgame for decentralised social media in general.
Does peertube have monetization for creator's? Because that's how you get content that most people watch.
Honestly youtube barely has it currently. The vast majority of creators make very little on the platform and rely largely on supporter donations, merch and sponsorships, which could work on any platform.
By squeezing creators out of every penny they can, youtube has forced people to find other options abd made themselves less and less relevant. I guess that's enshittification for you.
You can also gate access to certain videos on peertube, so a nebula-like model might also work eventually.
I'm genuinely confused. Is YouTube even profitable ATP? Hard to imagine it not being so but they've been doubling down on squeezing out every coin they can, trying to fight adblock is one example, pushing out more ads too. Wtf even is going on over there.
Different metrics on profitability. Are you judging their hosting costs on how much it actually costs Google to add more in their already existing data centers for YouTube like a good vertically integrated monopoly or are you judging their hosting costs on how much their google cloud bill would be. You'll get wildly different numbers depending on the method.
Exactly!! YouTube is by far the best "social" platform (or least shit) and sadly the strongest monopoly. Cus what the fuck is a newly made competitor gonna do? Rip all YouTube videos and host them? People on IG and X etc don't really go around looking at old posts, those places are more for looking at what's new and such. On YouTube however its entirely game that u find a dope edutainment video from years ago that you happen to vibe with.
That is very true, and I think some kind of archive is going to be important eventually. I think to get around the hosting costs, one method could be for peertube instances to form a union of instances for collective purchases, because the cost goes down with scale.
With a large enough group you could even split hosting among different providers to prevent a monopoly from forming in the hosting space.
I think a big part of that is just straight up storage space, more specially a lack thereof. Google won't release specifics but estimates put the total data stored by YouTube at somewhere near an exabyte (1 million terrabytes). Most of which is made up by video files.
Of course that's just issue number 1 of many to figure out.
Storage costs keeps getting cheaper, but high quality video keeps taking up more space.
It's a matter of finding where the line between cost and user satisfaction meet.
Like sure you could limit all videos to 60fps @ 720p or 30fps @ 1080p but most everyone now wants everything 120fps @ 2160p which takes up dozens of gigs per video and eats up bandwidth.
Where does Honk fit into this? https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk