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It's only ever effective when a credible violent alternative is present.
No oppressed person in history has ever gotten their rights by appealing to the better nature of their oppressor.
Civil rights weren't won when black people asked politely and just moving everyone's hearts at how unjustly they were being treated, when MLK died, he had a 75% disapproval rating. Civil rights were won through repeated demonstrations of power and showing what would happen if their demands weren't met.
You're jumping the gun and assuming a lot.
Please read more about what I am talking about before assuming what I am saying.
https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/about/civil-resistance/
Wait, are you using multiple accounts to support your argument? The OP comment is under a different username but you just responded to that person as if you made that initial content presenting the data.
And reminder that Lemmy shows edit history.
Are you talking about enkers's comment? I saw their response, which was clearly meant for me and responded. Then they deleted that comment and moved it to where they intended to put it, so I did the same.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/15571731
Yeah, sorry 'bout that; that was my bad. I didn't mention it since you figured out my intent. Looks like me moving my comment might have led to some confused lemmings, though.
No, the op comment presenting the data. The username just changed right now to match yours.
I'm very confused about what you're claiming. Are you saying I somehow edited a comment's user?
Regardless, I'm not using multiple accounts to... argue with myself?
If a comment author changed username, I would be dubious of the platform you're using to view this thread. Could be an issue with an app you're using.
I couldn't get past the 4th example of "non-violence" without laughing at how wildly revisionist they are. While each of these had non-violent components, none of them would have succeeded without violence. The housing rights act wasn't passed until literally every city was on fire.
Here's a great book detailing the experiences that lead civil rights leaders to understand the importance of a real, credible threat for any "non-violent" component to be effective..
I'm sure the 2.7 million tonnes of bombs being dropped on them didn't exactly tip that scale much...
I believe the violent aspects of these resistances are considered and included in the overall analysis in the book I linked.
I think you may be jumping to conclusions when you see something that doesn't immediately fall into your own views. Those examples are clearly a simplified and truncated set to quickly get the point across for the purpose of an "About Us" page while there is lots of in-depth information available throughout the site.
If you have qualms with their findings or data, you'd be better off taking it up with them instead of me. I don't purport to be an expert on this subject. I am only relaying that there is plenty of credible research, data, and analysis that shows that non-violent resistance is effective.
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Here you can see how and why the book defines these. The book and its author is a major resource for the website.
https://www.ericachenoweth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/WCRW-Appendix.pdf