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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I don't like the term "free healthcare", because most of us would be paying for it in taxes, it would be more accurate to call it "socialized healthcare".

Saying "I want free healthcare" allows the media to twist your words and make you look like some "entitled brat" that "want everything for free".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Insurance is already a socialized program- just a private one. Creating public health care simply removes the profit incentive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Universal healthcare

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It sort of is free though.

With private healthcare your coverage price goes up with medical needs. So the one time you need healthcare is the one time that you have to pay more for it.

With socialized healthcare you just pay the same base rate as everyone else, regardless of if you have complicated medical needs or not. Also in socialized healthcare if you don't have a job you don't pay anything, but you still get medical care.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Or ya know, simply Public Healthcare. Because it's for public. End of topic.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats the problem. The media and too much of the usa wouldnt accept "socialized healthcare" becuase that sounds like socialism and enough people arent educated enough to know what that really means

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Medicare For All

Universal Healthcare

Single-Payer System

Whatever, someone needs better PR

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Medicare for all is so easy too.

Like literally just adding "for all" to the existing system.

And nixing health insurance companies. It's a win win!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Freedom Care! Patriot Care!

Name it whatever. How do we get it?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It healthcare has a own risk (literal translation, I'm not sure about the English term) in which the first costs are out of pocket until you reach a certain amount (400-800 depending on your insurance package).

So it's not 'free' as you don't pay for all of it, but you can't go into crippling debt over medical payments.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're talking about deductibles. But in the truly socialized healthcare system you wouldn't have deductibles anyway because you don't pay out of pocket for anything.

Under the UK system you do pay for some drugs as an outpatient, but we're only talking like £6 (honestly it makes you wonder why they bother). But you never pay for in-house medicine and you don't pay for procedures at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I was just arguing against the 'free' bit of the argument. But I agree with you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Counter-point: calling it universal/single-payer distinguishes it from what we have now. Which I would argue isn't actually healthcare, at least by modern standards in other countries...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, we don't have healthcare. We have profit-motivated health insurance. We pay in case we get injured or sick, and they only profit if they find a legitimate way to not cover us when we get injured or sick, so they try their damnedest to do that.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they're gonna vote for it.

Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn't matter what you tell them. Call it the "everyone gets a puppy" Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won't know they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They won't know they didn't.

We have concepts for a puppy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That was a bit of hyperbole. But we could always say "if you didn't get a free puppy, it's because Trump and his Republicans hate puppies"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But that sounds like socialism! We can't have that!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

That would be like having some kind of socially based security!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Single payer healthcare is fine.

The single payer is the government