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What do the "Trump won't actually be that bad" people that I've been seeing on Lemmy in the last few days have to say about this?
They are Stephen Miller fans.
"Whose Steven Miller?"
I haven’t seen anybody say that so far.
I wonder what he will have to do before Americans are willing to admit that he is a fascist.
There were Nazi apologists in Germany after WWII that did not think the Nazis did anything bad. Literally nothing will make them admit they were wrong.
Nah but I bet they will be willing to admit that he’s fascist and claim that’s a good thing
I've already heard "it was the war and Holocaust that were bad, not necessarily the fascism."
We are already there
Yeah for some people. The majority of people I talk to (overwhelmingly trades guys) do not believe this.
They'll be there soon enough. My ex chemist coworker is a Trump supporter. He's said some sus things that were sympathetic to Nazis. They all eventually come out of the closet or acknowledge it.
Something, something, land doesn’t vote…
And that people live in cities.
There’s been a few. Not many. They seem like they’re the type that’s just in denial, not maliciously trying to smokescreen his ill intent.
Yeah that’s what it seems like to me.
Lucky you.
Edit: Also, see the comment from tal below.
I think that Trump Term 2 is likely to look a lot like Trump Term 1.
Whether-or-not one calls that "that bad", of course, involves some matter of perspective. The article here is about a Term 1 guy coming back for Term 2, which is pretty much in line with things being like Term 1. I expect a lot of the same stuff that I didn't like the first time. I expect him to make outrageous statements, violate a lot of Presidential norms, probably do some questionable things legally to try to benefit himself. I expect him to play into conspiracy theory where he thinks it might benefit him. I expect him to make a lot of self-contradictory statements. I expect him to bluster and make crude statements. I expect him to be constantly in the news for doing something outrageous.
I expect that a lot of his outrageous statements are going to just be political theater, the same way they were the first time around. A lot of very firey talk about immigration and free trade agreements, making sure that he's seen by supporters saying things, not a lot of dramatic actual effective change in most policy.
I don't expect some of the predictions that are often thrown around here about the end of democracy or the free press or a long list of other things to come true.
One of the points that I want to see is what happens on Ukraine policy. This isn't a major popular issue for Republican voters the way policy on Israel is. Vance has been pretty vocal about opposing support for Ukraine, but I also don't know (1) the degree to which that is an actual concern for Vance, (2) the degree of influence that Vance will have, as the VP's power is usually almost entirely dependent on what the President wants to delegate to them and listen to them, and (3) the degree to which the bureaucracy will affect this, as politicians don't simply go craft foreign policy on their lonesome, and there are going to be a lot of the same domain experts that were present under Biden. It's possible that there could be very material impact for Ukraine, but I could also believe that the impact is muted.
My guess is that four years from now, I'm probably going to be pretty happy to see the last of him. But that was pretty much the case in 2020, and I remember no shortage of dire predictions in the opposing press and social media all through his first time through that didn't pan out.
oh great, so we can look forward to another horrifyingly mismanaged pandemic!
absolutely batshit crazy how nobody at all mentioned that not laid it at Trump's doorstep during the campaign
You have deluded yourself. You have not seen anything yet. A human piece of shit has been unleashed on this country with no checks or balances.
We'll be lucky if term 2 is just like term 1. That would mean the ACA would survive, no detention camps would be built, and they don't find a way to deploy the US military to go grab the immigrants and put them into camps.
Fixed that for you.
Oh, it’s going to be a A LOT different.
Don’t forget they’ll all be fired for gross incompetence after a month or so
This is how I know aggressive instance bans for bigotry work: I haven’t seen any of that. Sincere condolences to everyone who has to see the open sewer.
"Um, aktually, this is business as usual for the United Snakes of Amerikkka."
For the first time I read this as “Americ-kuh-kuh-kuh”
I haven't seen that one yet, but I won't be surprised, since this is the "both parties are the same" crowd.
One of them actually said yes to me not too long ago when I asked if Hillary Clinton would have picked SCOTUS justices that would have struck down Roe v. Wade. That's how invested they are in this nonsense.
Right now though, they seem to be focused on "Harris lost because she ran a bad campaign and it doesn't matter that I helped enable fascism by not voting for her because I share none of the responsibility or blame" and "Trump won't be that bad because he just lies all the time."
That’s the majority of them all right, but don’t forget the accelerationists that hope a Marxist-Leninist system will rise from the ashes. The ones who don’t realize the damper the associated climate change acceleration will have on their plans.
Would those be the same ones that say that, despite the stock market and the private property and all the billionaires, China is a communist country because you have to go through capitalism to get to communism? They amuse me.
He was in a pretty good band?
Checks notes
Oh... That's Steve Miller... Fuck...
Disclaimer: The views represented in the bad joke do not necessarily represent the views of the commenter. At no time have they uttered the words "Trump won't actually be that bad" in that order.
Sorry, I had to
Well, gotta burn this account to the ground! I'ma see you all under a new moniker!
Apparently all Steve Millers suck lol
You don't have to like his music, but Steve Miller of the Steve Miller Band is one of the realest dudes in the music industry.
That's good to hear, but I definitely don't like his music.
Yeah, and also his music is awesome. It makes no sense (like I said) but it's awesome.
My manager when I worked at the sweet factory at the mall when I was a teenager, would play that fucking album over and over and over and over and over. I can’t listen to that shit ever again. On the plus side, he let me take as much candy as I liked anytime which in hindsight was probably not very good for me, but at least back then I could metabolize fucking anything.
Incidentally, other than Jet Airliner, which was a cover, I have noticed that none of the Steve Miller Band's songs make a lick of sense.