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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just the idea that words, alone, can cause harm is a modern notion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No it isn't. You've already acknowledged that many more words were historically viewed as damaging.

Acknowledging the harm of hate is more modern, but the evidence behind it is pretty much indisputable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To invoke a deity, or bodily fluids, or sexual impropriety, was to sully oneself and society as a whole.

The idea that words are somehow as dangerous as physical weapons is peculiarly modern. As is the idea that it is worse to denigrate a group than an individual.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, they literally believed that using the name of gods could get you struck down, cursed, etc. by those gods.

And nobody is claiming words are physical weapons.

Both sides of your argument are wild mischaracterizations of reality and neither could plausibly be done in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I must admit that I never get this recourse to the "bad faith" argument. I'm telling you how I see things. Why would I bother inventing something that I don't even believe? Mystifying. If you see things differently, fine. I don't believe I've said anything factually incorrect (again: why would I bother playing games?). None of this is hard science anyway, so others can judge the arguments on their merits through the prism of their own values.

And now I see that you've been downvoting my comments systematically. Personally I consider that to be the virtual equivalent of shouting someone down in a debate. So that's enough for today. Good night.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Every single thing you've said is factually incorrect.

There is no debate about that fact that people historically thought gods would strike people down for words; it's abundant historical record.

And nobody anywhere near this thread said anything anyone could possibly interpret to mean that words are the same as physical assault.

I will always downvote comments using ridiculous nonsense to justify slurs.