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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

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Why use immutable Linux ? And which one ? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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What are the pros and cons for desktops ? EDIT : Thanks all. I'll try Silverblue, bazzite and more.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Most people aren't system administrators and they end up with broken computers for the most basic tasks. It's one of the major reasons why people hate using Linux desktops.

And even if you're an experienced sysadmin you can't account for the entropy that accumulates on traditional OSes. 18.04 -> 20.04 -> 22.04 doesn't end up being the same as a 22.04 clean install. This is a huge problem, especially for people who don't know how to manage linux systems. And the people who do manage systems at scale don't want that behavior either.

I go over this in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn5xNLH-5eA

But day to day I'm in an ubuntu container and using "normal" package management, I just don't do it on the host.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But day to day I'm in an ubuntu container and using "normal" package management, I just don't do it on the host.

If you kept a basic minimal Ubuntu host it would be trivial to maintain. And you can still do your "toolbox" stuff on top of it. No weird immutable stuff needed.

I just don't see the point. You want new users to understand containers. And to keep track of all the containers they maintain - possibly with different distros and using different things. And remember the difference between them and what is installed in each. Or just maintain one big container which is exactly what they would do normally anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you kept a basic minimal Ubuntu host it would be trivial to maintain.

That's not true for most people.

I just don’t see the point. You want new users to understand containers.

You don't need to understand containers unless you're using the system for development -- which in Linux land means containers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That’s not true for most people.

If you want it to be then it can. The risk of a failed update is vastly overblown.

You don’t need to understand containers unless you’re using the system for development – which in Linux land means containers.

Oh but you do. 1 hour into using Silverblue I was chastised by other users for "using it like any other Linux distro" when I started installing things into the "base" system with rpm-ostree. "Don't you know you should be doing that in a container?" I was asked.

I was just installing command-line utilities. Which I'm apparently supposed to do in a toolbox or other container which allows me to have... a mutable distro where I can do all the things I do in a "normal" OS. And which will require updating separately from the host OS. And which don't quite work right for everything because they're containers? Like you can't install httpd in one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

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