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[–] [email protected] 109 points 6 days ago (8 children)

But did anyone ever say that you HAD to subscribe to everything? No.

I must be one of the few people in a group who have a better control in what they feel they can subscribe to.

Adobe expects me to pay monthly for Photoshop? No, fuck you, I've got GIMP and a number of other paint and photo manipulation programs.

Microsoft expects me to pay for Office 365? No, fuck you, I've got LibreOffice and your older Office software still works as good. Your word processing program, Word, hasn't really changed that much since 2007 or even 2003. Hell, maybe not since 1997!

I understand this video highlights some of the more draconian practices of subscription services and they deserve to be. But also, people really really need to learn about alternatives instead of feeling like they've got to subscribe to something that they never had to in the first place.

Also, no, you do not need smart-everything. Leave all of the smart-appliance shit for the richies who happily throw money down on that and let them waste their time and money on the susbcriptions involving them. You don't need them, have some self-respect and know that the dumb versions of those smart things still are just as good and effective.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

In theory open source can help you escape subscription hell but Gimp and LibreOffice do not have feature parity with Photoshop and MS Office and have significantly inferior UX. Maybe for word processing, LibreOffice or an older version of Office is fine, but that is not true at all for spreadsheets. So much the case that I would rather use Python Dataframes + Juypter notebooks than LibreOffice Calc.

This is also the case for Indesign vs Scribus, Illustrator vs Inkscape, Autocad vs Freecad. Audacity is fairly powerful but again horrible UX. That list goes on I am sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

My subscribtions are Protonmail, Mullvad VPN and ChatGPT. On top of that I'm paying a voluntary monthy donation to a podcast.

That's it. If I had to guess, YouTube premium will be the next one but so far adblocking still seems to work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Microsoft expects me to pay for Office 365? No, fuck you, I’ve got LibreOffice and your older Office software still works as good. Your word processing program, Word, hasn’t really changed that much since 2007 or even 2003. Hell, maybe not since 1997!

Yeah, it's a word processor. I don't need a newer with more features that I will never use. Some of these might make sense for a business with collaborative projects and such, but your average home user doesn't need it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have a bunch of smart devices - light bulbs, wall plugs, etc. They all connect to Home Assistant running on my own server and I don't need to pay any subscriptions.

IoT is not the problem, corporate greed is.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I do agree that it's pretty cool that HA can be used for free, but if you like something and use it regularly please find ways to contribute.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

That's one way. Or you can contribute code, help others in the forum, file bug reports... OR if you're the lazy one like me you can actually give them money.

Don't like subscriptions? Ok by me, but please don't think that complete teams will be working on great and secure software for free. That's not something that can be maintained for a long time.

If you like something, contribute to it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Microsoft expects me to pay for Office 365? No, fuck you, I’ve got LibreOffice and your older Office software still works as good. Your word processing program, Word, hasn’t really changed that much since 2007 or even 2003. Hell, maybe not since 1997!

So I moved to foss probably about 20 years ago and have been going back and forth between libre office and open office.

A couple of years ago my wife wanted me office, so I got the subscription...and man it's so much better than either of those two, and to suggest that maybe it hasn't changed since 1997 is mindboggling.

I'm a big proponent of not signing up for these services, but this paragraph really misses the mark for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Just use Google Docs then. Yes, it's Google. Yes, it will somewhat tie you into their ecosystem but Google Docs are free, get regular updates and are pretty good overall. I've been using Google Docs for many years now. I occasionally use Office365 for work and Google Docs is just as good, if not better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To me office is the bonus to the cloud storage and syncing. Yeah I know it’s easy to run a NAS but the UX of having to manage it is a headache and quite frankly it gives me more piece of mind to pass the buck of getting pwned to Microsoft or Google

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

This. Office 365 offers 1tb for 5 accounts plus office for cheaper than just storage from Dropbox or Google drive.

Office is just a bonus

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Disagree. E.g. Word typography is not as advanced as LibreOffice. And words document master is buggy as hell.

But yes. Excel can handle big files now. Still sucks at im- and exporting different csv formats...

But... Because it's integrated so we'll with windows, is faster most of the time.

In reality: of course word should be a better program and it does get lots of loving from redmond. Only because: if no new features, no new sales. And since word is mostly a solved problem, redmond invented new problems...

Working with a LO user and a sub par program always beats working with a word user who can't use styles, review, and merge documents.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

As much as I hate Google. I think they are king with document collaboration and sharing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Yes. But thats not word. Thats something else entirely which atleast my employer would never use (security, long term support, offline, integration with 3rd parties etc)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Adobe expect me to pay for Premire Pro? No, fuck you, i've got Kdenlive and it feels like premium-quality app

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Hell, maybe not since 1997!

Office 2000 was peak office: it had the definitive version of Clippit, and every actually useful feature you'll probably ever need to type and edit any sort of document.

...I will say, though, that Excel has improved for the weirdos that want 100,000 row spreadsheets since then, but I mean, that's a small group of people who need serious help.

This has nothing to do with anything, but whatever.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

100k rows is a small data set for a lot of what I look at, but that is at work.

Let me split it down.

For work use, 100% has to be Excel. For personal use, either of the FOSS is more than enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I think that's where the divide is, and why my employer pays for everyone to have Microsoft Office but I use a free office suite. I simply don't need the extra capabilities for my own personal use.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

...Good god, someone actually called him Clippit. I never thought the day would come

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I do, but I also never have reason to refer to him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I don't know exactly when the features arrived, but things like xlookup, power query, live data connections, etc have been welcome improvements in Excel.

Heck, even textbefore is a great QOL improvement.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I think the subscription overload has to do with the whole 90s kids are the only ones who know how to build and fix computers. We know how to go out and find alternatives or roll our own services. Hell we invented digital piracy so we are comfortable with not subscribing.

I only subscribe to two services, Google storage so my family's mobile devices can auto backup and Spotify because I like the suggestion engine and it's easier for my kids to stream music. For everything else there's piracy.

So then there is this new generation that are clueless in tech so these companies can nickel and dime them because they don't know any better. I know I try to teach my kids how to use tech but they just don't have an interest like I did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

90s kids are the only ones who know how to build and fix computers.

Aww dude

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Lol bruh, have some self reflection. People do it because it's easier. If you have the time to have all the hobbies that other people have and to roll your own home servers that's great, but that means you have an above average amount of free time. Otherwise, other people have hobbies that don't include server OS updates and choose to spend their time there and pay for someone else to manage their servers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Thank you so much for this comment

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

IDK, a kid not knowing how to pirate is weird too, at least where I live. That would mean their parents actually buying them media, which, in my experience, is not that frequent of a sight. I had classmates who had subscriptions just to feel good about consciously paying for the content (they were also upper-middle-class). The rest didn't really think about ethics and just pirated, the information on how to do it spreads through kids' collectives pretty easily. It seems to me that many of them don't even know that what they and their families are doing is "piracy"...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

It seems to me that many of them don't even know that what they and their families are doing is "piracy"...

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