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Actually you'll find that when Palestine Actionists sabotaged workshops that are part of the supply chain that makes weapons used by the IOF to commit genocide, that does save lives. Because not all political actions are making youtube videos and voting for the lesser evil. Sometimes you can do something real.
Yeah, good, okay. Your thoughts and prayers are not appreciated. I'm just a realist and hope that America just ceases to exist as an imperialist entity (and think that it's good and moral for people to organize towards that end). Death to America, death to Israel.
This is emblematic of the liberal shitstains I see supporting Contrapoints in this. Went on the socials to check and it is the same top down arguments that lead some to think that civil rights were won because politicians decided to vote for it out of the kindness of their hearts or that the 40 hour work week happened because capitalists cared about their workers. HOW THE FUCK WILL THE POLICY CHANGE IF YOU CANNOT EVEN BE CRITICAL OF IT. If everyone in the USA has to be pro-Zionist why would the policy change?
It is such a myopic worldview, if things aren’t achieved on a 6 month timespan they are worthless and you did nothing but turn off the sensible white moderates. Contrapoints herself is arguing that the pro-Palestinian option was genocide under Kamala Harris as ‘harm reduction’. That is all her support amounts to, feeling a bit sad and not even trying to agitate for the rights of Palestinians.
It's so representative of the cynical world view of liberals and why they lose. They have no leadership, no vision, no desire or belief in the ability to change minds. It's why they just focus group everything and go with what's popular.
But also you’re being an unreasonable, idealistic radical if you expect Team Blue to be able to affect any meaningful change in four years of a presidency.
Even people raising money to financially help palestinian surviving, makes it stupid to say zero lives were saved. Why did she even donate as she says if noone was saved by this action, does this mean she thinks it was only performative?
She's saying "you tried and partly failed, so better not try if you can't guarantee 100% success" I'm so mad at these types of people. No, you learn from what worked and did not and incorporate those lessons in your future actions.
I think the reason she succumbs to that type of doomerism is spelled out pretty clearly. She even correctly identifies the contradiction at the foundation of all of this: if you want Palestinian suffering to actually end, it means you need Israel to stop existing. The end point of all pro-Palestinian struggle is to abolish Zionism. So, if she does anything more than quietly give some money to a fundraiser, if she accepts the material effects of supporting Palestine, it's equivalent to saying she's part of a movement that wants to get rid of Israel. That wouldn't be nice, it's not an elegant liberal democratic position. So she can't endorse it. In fact, further than not endorsing it, she can't allow herself to believe that it's even possible (or that it would result in anything but disaster). To liberal Zionists like her, a free Palestine can't exist and it must not be allowed to exist.
I think you’re completely right and helping me verbalize what angered me so much there.
I just realized there was another thread about this and @[email protected] said what I just wrote but more elegantly: