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White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.
Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.
Capitalism and slavery are incompatible.
I'm just going to assume this is sarcastic, because I refuse to believe that anyone actually believes this, even eager capitalists, themselves.
If it's somehow not sarcastic, you are either ridiculously ignorant about the world and it's history, or blatantly lying.
I don't know who stole your history book, but you should probably go look for it.
It was Marx, Marx stole it.
What on Earth does that mean?
Dumb joke because I was just responding to an insult
Why not? Capitalism is private control over the factors of production - it's not "equal freedom" or anything like that. The American South was capitalist during chattel slavery.
And that's not even getting into wage slavery.
If someone is legally exercising force over someone else, they are a de facto entity of the state.
Yep, capitalism is inherently statist. Ancapistan is just a bunch of little states.
Controlling yourself means you have monopoly on force on yourself, meaning you are a state consisting of just yourself? Sounds like a pretty chill state.
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Are you just making up phrases at this point? Show us where in the definition of capitalism that human rights exist.
From DuckDuckGo:
This isn't necessary for all of them, but from Wikipedia:
Slave masters are regulators of population, so they are an actor of the state.
If I tell you to get the fuck out of my way I also regulate population but I’m not the state. Note that even your definition says ‘a’, not ‘the’.
Also, and more importantly, enslaved people are seen as property (and thus also as means of production) instead of population. IIRC this goes back to the definition of populace back in Ancient Greece but I can’t be arsed to look it up.
Africans enslaved and sold other Africans by the millions for centuries before white people arrived on the continent. Though they certainly made it worse when they did.
People enslaved their opponents in war for essentially as long as humans have existed, until we decided slavery was an evil we should avoid. However, this was not generally chattel slavery. Usually their offspring were not slaves and they were not bread to create more slaves, like livestock.
This is a good read if you want to learn more.
I'm not sure you have enough of a historical framework on population to make the claim you're mindlessly repeating, but I appreciate that you "people" out yourselves so readily so normal humans can avoid you. Good luck on truth social or Facebook or x I guess.
I think their point was fair, Rome had slavery unrelated to color, as did many other places.
They did not have chattel slavery.
Why does that distinction matter?
It matters a lot. Chattel slavery is what Europe brought to Africa. It's a particularly violent and cruel form of slavery. The "Africans also had slaves" argument is a fallacious one as the systems of slavery were very different. We could say the same thing for "wage slavery" today to demonize that or to lessen the hatred of chattel slavery. The intent of the message was to dismiss the harm, which should not be done.
It's still exploiting them. I don't think it was intended to dismiss the harm at all.
You usually see this sort of comment when people are trying to dismiss the harm done by Europeans during the slave trade. It's usually done to say the Africans were already participating, so the Europeans did nothing wrong and were just willful participants. The Africans were barbarians naturally. They created the system and not the Europeans, who just happened to end up capitalizing on it. This isn't true. It's white suprimist apologism and should be countered whenever it's seen, not indulged.
I don't know if this is what the OP intended, but it shouldn't be allowed to spread without correction regardless.
Fair enough 👍 just bothers me a bit when the internet hate machine assumes people mean the worst.
Ah of course, European exceptionalism.
Classical slavery was practiced for a time in Europe as well, and chattel slavery was not exclusive to European diaspora; It was also practiced by Imperial Japan on Koreans and Chinese, for instance.
This is just called capitalism.
I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now...
Capitalism is the Sociopath's Ideology and hence it will always promote the use of any power advantages to exploit the less powerful, with no consideration for the fellings of others or harm done to them, for fairness or for morality.
Which is why it had to be something outside Capitalism to push for fairer treatment of POC and even then every single day in America it's an uphill fight for those amongst them who remain disadvantaged: that previous exploitation of them as powerless due to their ethnicity meant that when the discriminatory treatment on the color of their skin was reduced (not eliminated, but certainly comparativelly much reduced), they ended up poor people and hence still the victims of discrimination and exploitation, because the poor too are less powerful than most and hence exploited to the max under Capitalism, and as an overexploited group it's incredibly harder for them to pull themselves out of poverty or help their children do so, which means that situation is entrenched.
Technically Capitalism isn't an ideology, but a state in development of the productive forces. Liberalism is the ideology of Capitalism.
Also Black Wall Street got hate crimed off the face of the earth, so I'd say "white capitalism" is fair enough.