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The myth of black capitalism (lemmy.ml)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Capitalism and slavery are incompatible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm just going to assume this is sarcastic, because I refuse to believe that anyone actually believes this, even eager capitalists, themselves.

If it's somehow not sarcastic, you are either ridiculously ignorant about the world and it's history, or blatantly lying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know who stole your history book, but you should probably go look for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was Marx, Marx stole it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What on Earth does that mean?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Dumb joke because I was just responding to an insult

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not? Capitalism is private control over the factors of production - it's not "equal freedom" or anything like that. The American South was capitalist during chattel slavery.

And that's not even getting into wage slavery.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Capitalism is private control over the factors of production

If someone is legally exercising force over someone else, they are a de facto entity of the state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, capitalism is inherently statist. Ancapistan is just a bunch of little states.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Controlling yourself means you have monopoly on force on yourself, meaning you are a state consisting of just yourself? Sounds like a pretty chill state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Capitalism is private control over the factors of production

Capitalism is private control over the factors of production

Controlling yourself

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you just making up phrases at this point? Show us where in the definition of capitalism that human rights exist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From DuckDuckGo:

  1. An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
  1. An economic system based on predominantly private (individual or corporate) investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and wealth; contrasted with socialism or especially communism, in which the state has the predominant role in the economy.
  1. A socio-economic system based on private property rights, including the private ownership of resources or capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
  1. A socio-economic system based on the abstraction of resources into the form of privately-owned capital, with economic decisions made largely through the operation of a market unregulated by the state.
  1. A specific variation or implementation of either such socio-economic system.
  1. An economic system based on private ownership of capital.

This isn't necessary for all of them, but from Wikipedia:

A state is a political entity that regulates society and the population within a territory.

Slave masters are regulators of population, so they are an actor of the state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If I tell you to get the fuck out of my way I also regulate population but I’m not the state. Note that even your definition says ‘a’, not ‘the’.

Also, and more importantly, enslaved people are seen as property (and thus also as means of production) instead of population. IIRC this goes back to the definition of populace back in Ancient Greece but I can’t be arsed to look it up.