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Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
They all did. They were just not formally declared, doesn't make it less of a war in practice, but it does in the context of the law in discussion. Loophole mechanics.
I think Korea does and Vietnam doesn't (to the US) or vice versa. I think one was conducted with the US officially entering the war and one "in support of" a participant of the war.
...but its all games to get around congress having to vote to go to war.
Can't lose a war if you retroactively count it as not a war 😎
Or Indonesia, Laos, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Cambodia, Iran, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Congo, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Philippines, Syria, Yemen, Somalia again, Libya, Niger, South Sudan...
I think Congress never voted on any of them and so they were never defined by the US as being at war. They were all military operations from the instruction of the president.
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From the point of view of the people the bombs are falling on - agreed.
...but it's important that Congress has effectively been removed from the decision making process for 60 years now. Presidents have been acting unilaterally for a long time, which makes it hard to criticise trump when he does the same.