I came across this old thread on 
. The question brings out the core Conservative belief that some people are lazy or "worthless" and "why should I pay for lazy people" or "why should I have to work for someone else to live off my labor?"
Many, many people on this thread say outright that people who they deem "lazy" don't deserve food or shelter or anything a human needs to live.
Is there a good counter to this talking point? It's pretty disgusting TBH being confronted with this. I know it's what they really believe but it still stings to read it out over and over again.
I don't understand how some people can think humans don't have an inherent right to exist. Not very "pro-life" of these people.
"Lazy" is an opinion and our society is built to treat people who aren't helping a Capitalist make profit or become a Capitalist themselves like they're burdens on society.
Life isn't fair, it never has and it never will be. Maybe some of your money goes to help a person who doesn't "work as hard as you"? There's also people who are born millionaires, people who have investments paying them for no work, people who win lotteries and jackpots or marry into wealth and never have to lift a finger again.
Forcing people to work in order to live doesn't sound fair to me. It sounds like slavery with extra steps. What kind of freedom do we truly have if we can't choose to withold our labor or check out of the system altogether?
I'm struggling a little mentally with feeling guilt around my failing job search. Technically I'm working on building three income streams, maybe four, but it feels like "failure" because I'm not making enough just yet to cover all bills. It's not for a lack of trying but there's ti.es where I have no energy to do much and it makes me feel terrible. This part of Conservatism always drove me up a wall. Hopefully some of you have good ways to fight against it.
if you own more than 1000 in 30 years treasuries, you get a wall as a lazy bum. but for real, the goal of socialism is to work less, have control over what you work for and how much you work. As we don't have full automation, edge case (able bodied, physically, mentally, socially) and not looking for work person shouldn't automatically be considered a person we should fight for (i for one think those people are actually very rare, cause it's boring as shit). Somebody grown and milled the flour you eat, you have to give something back (or you can do coop living, but have fun explaining there why you don't want to do anything). Or you can live in log cabin with a gun, but that's another thing, and not something those people would call lazy.
Now, there is a lot of work society doesn't deem profitable and thus not compensating (be it elder care or young people care, home work etc), so again you can construct argument around that person not being "lazy" actually.
The danger of this argument, appearing reasonable on its face, is constructing labyrinth of means testing which hurts more people than it helps.
But when people imagine this type of person, they are doing some sort of reagan "black people in cadillac", and likely being racist as well.
so choose your thingy as counterargument (means testing hurts more than helps, finance bros are more dangerous, caring for kids is work actually, "how did that work out for y'all since 80s, crackers?" - don't work on people on the internet, cause it's upper quintiles, "natural unemployment rate" is a thing they decided to accept)
also poster nr2 probably pays more to his owners than taxes, the little crab in the bucket.