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This has been a doozy of a year. And it's the best year so far blah blah. So how are you all coping? Does it hit anyone else like a bolt of lightning that probably I - we - won't die of old age?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

The Earth has been much hotter than the worst-case scenario for anthropogenic climate change. (It used to be rainforests-at-the-North-pole hot.) Climate change isn't going to kill you unless you're both extremely poor (by global standards, not by first-world standards) and unlucky, although it may significantly reduce your quality of life as resources are redirected to mitigation. Where do these "mass death everywhere" ideas come from? They're not a product of the scientific consensus.

As for me: it seems like the climate where I live is getting warmer. There has been much less snow recently than there was when I was a kid; it's convenient but unsettling. The summers are getting hotter too, although the difference isn't as dramatic. I'd like to move to somewhere further north, or maybe a place like coastal California which is without temperature extremes, but I would want to do that even if the climate wasn't changing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Where do these "mass death everywhere" ideas come from?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

The problem isn't that it's going to be warmer. The problem is that it's getting warmer so quickly that populations won't be able to adapt. Ecological collapse is absolutely on the table here. There is no real debate in the scientific community about this, just deceptive propaganda that's disguised as 'conflicting science' but is simply a smoke screen to keep people ignoring the problem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Humans have drastically altered ecology permanently anyways, during fruits and vegetables into near monocrops and changing them within just a few decades, it's pretty clear that can be done for temperature changes. Though yeah of course temperature changing changes ecology, but why assume that change will be disastrous collapse

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Because higher temperatures aren't the problem, the rate of change is. I assume the worst because we've seen it before in the fossil record. The best comparison is the Triassic-Permian extinction. Rapid change in temperatures led to global ecological collapse and the death of 85% of all life on earth. Now, during the Triassic-Permian extinction CO2 levels rose from 400 ppm to ~2500 ppm over the course of ~50,000 years, with an estimated rate of change of around .05 ppm per year. We're starting out lower at 280 ppm before the industrial revolution, but we've already hit 420, and we're now adding about 2.5 ppm every year, with that number increasing every year. So we're currently experiencing warming that's 50 times faster than the most devastating extinction event in Earth's history.

The fact that our entire food industry is based around genetically engineered monocultures is just another point of failure. It's a constant game of cat and mouse to continually keep each generation of plants protected against changing diseases and pests, and because the vast majority of the seed is coming from one company, if something does adapt to overcome the engineered defenses, it's devastating to the entire global population of that crop.

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