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.ml world "news" continuing to be an excellent source of journalism and definitely NOT contributing to the spread of Putin talking points!/s (lemmy.world)

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This is the kind of content the .ml admins cultivate through their bans and censorship. They'll frequently remove articles from credible good sources that directly go against their narratives, while allowing misinformation and conspiracy websites to include RT, Sputnik and (as shown) random substack blogs as long as they tow the narratives that align with them.

E.g. Ukraine is a Nazi regime and Russia is just "liberating" the Ukrainian people

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

i wanted evidence the nazi prop was false.

okay and i want evidence that it’s true before spending time and energy debunking something that is just a wild claim presented without sources

the burden of proof is on the claim not the defendant

and my point was related to the bullshit principal- there MUST be a cohort of links debunking the claims.

that’s absolutely not related to the bullshit asymmetry principal other than it being a prime example of it: it takes minimal effort to write a post asking for evidence - sincere or not, btw, there’s no way to know if you’re acting in good or bad faith - whilst it takes a lot of effort to do a web search by comparison, which you could also spend time and energy doing

if you provide evidence pointing to the fact that ukraine has nazis, then that does 2 things:

shows that there’s actually something to discuss other than harmful conspiracy: not trying to prove a negative: there’s specific claims and perhaps sources
shows that you’ve invested time into the topic (perhaps), which means that at least we’re confident your asking in good faith rather than using the question as a means to an end

assuming you don’t believe the ukrainian govt has a nazi problem, this is also a core part of the scientific method: don’t try and prove what you believe; try and disprove it and if you can’t then what you believe is correct… dig up any real evidence for the claim, and if you can’t find real evidence then it’s nothing more than putin making a claim for unknown reasons when he clearly has an agenda

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

we know it’s not true. why are you so triggered i asked for shareable links that show examples of PATCHES and sigils being not nazi and other prop being false? I was given links and they were great!

Share the actual truths and that will outweigh the agitprop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's seriously insane how hard people are working to misinterpret you, there's no way people other than op are approaching this in good faith. You made it clear you're not a tankie, these people just can't stand the idea that their beliefs require proof or that there are people who aren't swayed by rhetoric alone (edit I def thought this was a tankie comment at first, that's how it sounded at first but you've made it abundantly clear that's not what it is)

"You're trying to prove a negative, they should just realize that" "they should just" is a pointless take to have on anything. people will never "just", they need convincing, and different people are convinced by different things. It's a tough subject to research, you've got one side claiming they're all nazis that deserve to be conquered and another that thinks they're all saints and can do no wrong, and I don't blame people at all for wanting evidence that the very real nazi groups in Ukraine aren't representative of everyone there, or even the whole military

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

thank you.