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Tell me the plan that gets more unified support than the current president.
They don’t have one and even if they did Biden is the best chance of winning.
no one knows the right answer but we all know what the wrong answers are because we keep doing them and here we are.
Anything other than the current president.
This is a good example.
That's not a plan
Name literally one.
The Dems trying to start the campaign over from scratch with someone else this far into the year is just stupid. It's giving the election to the Republicunts and they're salivating.
They shouldn't have had hm run in the fucking first place and been able to actually plan a campaign. This is so fucking amateurish it's pathetic.
I'd also add my speculation that the repubs want biden to stay in, as he's their best shot at winning.
Anyone else would be an unknown, and I think would be positive.
That's my impression too. They know they can beat Biden/Harris. They don't know if they can beat a different ticket.
Biden is easily the best chance of winning
30% approval?
What were the approval ratings for Trump vs Hillary? Pretty accurate eh?
Your gut is not data.
Who said anything about my gut? And why are you changing the subject instead of answering my question?
It's relevant because that is what you are using. It sure as hell isn't logic or data.
'Improperly collected data failed us once, so it always will" is literally the same thing as what you are saying.
It ignores any changes in methodology that occurred in 8 years. It ignores identified biases that have been removed.
It's literally am anti-science point of view.
E.g. your gut. It sure as hell isn't coming from your brain.
Admitting how inaccurate a prediction is the scientific approach. Your magic 8-ball approach isn’t.
I've seen you say that a few times here but haven't seen an argument. I'm just curious, why do you think that?
He beat Trump once. He’s the incumbent. Changing this late in the game is going to cause a clusterfuck so bad that it would guarantee Trump's win.
He beat donnie 4 years ago. He's not the same man. Also, Covid is not in the same state as it was. And he didn't have to fight against the (admittedly mostly false) narrative about inflation and so on.
Something like 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out. Why won't he take that advice and end it now, before he completely soils his decades-long legacy of service?
How? No one wants to vote for him. We are all voting for "Not Trump". Someone that people want to vote for who isn't Trump should perform better.
Everyone I know is happy to vote for him. This idea of changing candidates is only being pushed online right now as far as I can see. Pretty convenient timing too.
It's been the narrative in my world for ages. My friends all joined the write in campaign for 'uncommitted' during the primary hoping we could send a message to the DNC. My social media outside lemmy is full of rants about not wanting to vote for Biden and anger at being forced to in order to avoid Trump. The mood is somber, almost depressed, we are talking like the election is already over and how to best protect people from a Trump admin.
Strong disagree.
I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I'm comfortable talking about this topic with.
I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.
I'm way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.
He needs to drop out now.
As someone that's mostly been an outsider, this playing out has given me more faith in the Democratic Party than I've ever had. For as long as I can remember, they've been the feckless, controlled opposition party that might occasionally throw some rights and economic opportunity my way by accident. When they lose a presidential election, it's always "aw, shucks, we'll get 'em next time."
This isn't that. This is the party publicly airing no confidence in their president in July in an election year. This is an emergency and they've broken the glass because there's a real threat to the country.
The glass can't be unbroken at this point. If somehow Biden still became the nominee, all Trump's campaign has to do is point out how his party doesn't even believe he should be president again. The senior party officials knew that going in, and it's why they must continue to mount private, public, and donor pressure on Biden until he gives it up.
Very well said, and I totally agree. I finally have some respect for the dem party specifically for this. I feel like the usual dem establishment tactics would dictate staying the course with biden, following procedure, etc. By them encouraging him to drop out this late, there is a respect given towards the voter base recognizing we really want someone else, and the real concern of making sure trump doesn't win. This is a truly progressive act, going against the norm, breaking the emergency glass very much needed.
Honestly I think we could destroy trump with a new ticket. The problem now is for biden to have the courage to make the right decision and drop out. If he doesn't ill have no choice but to vote for him, but yikes.
Biden is the best chance of winning. Any other choice means Trump wins.
Literally every point of actual data disagrees with you.
What did the data say for Hillary vs Trump? Pretty accurate eh?
Actually, yeah. That election turned out within the margin of error of the polls.
Everyone who was surprised by the result needs media literacy classes.
I'm just not buying that. I think Biden's people and a lot of people walking on eggshells for him may have convinced themselves of that (maybe). But I bet that narrative flips the minute he steps down.
I’m not buying that. Trying to change candidates this late in the game is such a bad idea that the only person that would suggest it is someone who wants Trump to win.
That must be why the Republicans desperately want to run against him.
Given that every point of data shows Trump winning in a landside, and probably getting the house and Senate, if Biden stays in suggests that people advocating for Biden staying in want Trump to win.
See what I did there?
Fun fact, actual data supports one and only one of us.
Are you a Russian bot that wants Trump to win?
What did the data say for Hillary vs Trump? Was it accurate?
So.... Let me get this right. Your only response is literally a named fallacy?
What does your gut say the stock market will do next month, oh wonderful and correct Oracle?
My response was a question that you seem to be avoiding.
Your response was irrelevant. It's not even data. It's a literal named fallacy.
"Trump won once, so he will again" is literally the same statement.
Take a critical thinking class, cause you really don't know how.
Again, I’m pointing out that the predictions you’re using are inaccurate and changing candidates this late in the game would cause a clusterfuck so big it would be a guaranteed win for Trump.
Referencing a time when an election turned out within the margin of error of polling isn't really pointing out that the predictions are inaccurate. It's pointing out that you don't have the media literacy to interpret polling results.
Why do you say that? Every dem and "independent" I talk to tell me they don't want Biden or Harris but they'd be eager to vote for anyone under 60 who is even remotely progressive.
If Biden did a press conference with Newson tomorrow announcing he's passing his campaign to a new generation they would be totally psyched.
Every non-maga I talk to is happy to vote for him. This idea that no one wants Biden is something I’m only hearing on lemmy. And the timing is pretty sus
It's possible your experience is very anecdotal. Everyone I talk to that is not magabrained says they'll vote for him, if they must. That's the key part: if they must. Most of them wish there was almost any other Democrat in there.
The polls show that 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out, but apparently Biden and team is more concerned with his ego. Again, if he stays in, I'm voting for him. But I think the Democrats will get absolutely crushed all up and down the ballot if he stays in.
Where do you live? 1600 Pennsylvania ave?
I don't care about arbitrary numbers for age, but Biden just looks lost. It's about cognitive decline. I'll vote him anyway, but a lot of normies think he's "too old" and that means he might not win against someone that should be very beatable (donnie).