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‘We the people’ is a timeless ideal of American democracy. What’s gone wrong?
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You guys have a system set up by a bunch of random guys 3 centuries ago that you worship as gods and refuse to update. That might be part of it
The problem isn't the system itself. The problem is that those random guys forgot to add in little things like consequences and what to do when someone violates it. The entire thing was written by a bunch of people who somehow forgot that they had JUST GOT INTO A WAR OVER THIS SHIT. It's like the idea of tyranny somehow became a foreign concept that nobody would ever consider and everybody is going to be good to each other forever and ever and ever amen so there's no need for consequences, right?
Ah yes, the much revered Floundering Fathers of the Stateship Free Enterprise!
We’ve ignored key parts of it partly because of sentiment like yours.
So now the religious racist fascists have taken over and most of the rest of us aren’t armed. It was always the bad guys who mostly didn’t oppose guns.
And, particularly damning, neither side took action to deal with the underlying problem: mental health. By that I mean that ver half of ALL gun deaths are n the USA, every year, are from suicide. No magazine capacity limit, assault weapon ban, or background check will help that.
Neither side gives a fuck, preferring to use shootings as a political tool. “They’re coming for your guns!” helped elect Trump at least the first time, and “won’t someone think of the children?” is why I will soon need to apply for a permit just to be able to purchase a firearm in my state instead of universal health care.
tl;dr: Not nearly enough Democrats are armed and thus won’t be able to stop the fascist traitor racist criminal GQP.
So keep feeling smug, the planet has a way worse because people like you got your way and now a super power is evil.
Dude none of what you feel offended by was said in the comment you replied to.
It has 27 amendments so far. If you think it's so easy, then go ahead, try it, and tell us how that went.
Every other country manages to get by without having a magical biblical-like document guiding them on all their laws
Is that so?
How does that respond to anything I wrote?
I guess I’m confused at your original response. Like I know other countries have constitutions (my own does even). What I’m saying is that it only seems to be the US that holds their constitution up as some sort of biblical document that’s near impossible to change or update. I know the “founding fathers (🤢)” intended it to be a living document which it is not.
Americans seem to assume that the opinions of some random dudes near 3 centuries ago are perfect and shouldn’t ever be changed
As I was suggesting with
the barriers to change it (process, legal requirements) aren't something to easily dismiss (are you aware of the process & requirements?) especially with today's political obstructionism. It requires approval by supermajorities (²⁄₃) of both houses & ratification by ³⁄₄ of the states.
That’s kind of my point though. In Canada, the only reason I know our constitution is even looked at in 2025 is because my friend works in environmental policy. The amount of times I hear that some American was exonerated in a court case because broke the US constitutional amendment is crazy. It’s just weird to me that a short document that was mostly written so long ago plays such a part in American law, especially with what you mentioned about it being so hard to update. This has been said to death but the right to bear arms was an amendment written when guns were single shot and took ages to reload.
Fundamental principles that define & operate a government aren't supposed to change frequently or easily. Neither are fundamental restrictions on the authority of government (ie, fundamental rights).
It makes sense to me that those fundamental freedoms are written somewhere & that judicial decisions would frequently cite them & related case law especially in claims that legislation violates them.
It also makes sense to me that changing those fundamental rights requires something more substantial (to indicate overwhelming consent of the people) than merely legislating them away. Otherwise, a congress with a simple majority of Trumpy republicans could simply legislate away essential freedoms as they pleased.
While the US has problems, merely having a constitution (1) the courts meaningfully refer to (2) that demands special effort to amend isn't clearly a problem. Do you have a better solution for ensuring some freedoms aren't recklessly written away?
I can agree with that. I guess what I take more of an issue with really comes down to “American civil religion”.
Americans seem to be taught (from my outsider perspective) that the basis of which the US was founded upon is perfect and needs no changing ever. There’s so much propaganda surrounding the founding documents that even suggesting changing something is basically akin to blasphemy. Like look at the second amendment. Even suggesting that maybe it doesn’t fit into modern society is considered heresy.
That sort of thing is why I really don’t like politicians claiming that their country is “the best in the world”. You see it in Canada too, and I hate it because even if it’s true, it just sort of waves away the many improvements that can be made. There’s ALWAYS things to improve upon
The 4th has been dead awhile and both parties take turns pissing on its grave.
This is something a Steve would say… NotSteve… 🤨
No, I'd really like to update the document. But, everybody else thinks the constitution is infallible, so yeah, definitely one aspect of the problem.
It's due to a large chunk of the people ~~believing~~ religiously indoctrinated to believe a text can be infallible.
If you start from that assumption, it's a whole lot easier to understand why the constitution can be so rabidly defended from change and why the fantasy lore of its authors is rarely questioned.