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Isn't capitalism great? (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But capitalism sucks in a more tolerable way to me than communism.

Ok, this I understand. That's a position reasonable people can agree or disagree on. (Though from earlier posts, I'm not certain we have the same working definitions of capitalism and communism. That's a problem for later)

Personally, I find the model of "I work all day and create $100 of stuff. The boss keeps $90 and I get $10" kind of bad. But that's a whole complex topic with more solutions than just "laissez-faire capitalism" and "communism as attempted by the soviet union".

I would further assume that the original meme was meant to take a shot at how ceaseless profit motive by the ownership class (ie: capitalism) has given us a bad outcome. Isolated, samey, homes with heavy car dependency. Pollution, inefficient, dehumanizing travel. Bland consumerism. Old people left to rot in for-profit homes.

Now, you can rightly say "other systems can lead to the same outcome!". That's true. But, we know that capitalism as implemented in most of the world got us here. Maybe the solution is some other system or combination of systems. I don't know. But the original poster didn't say anything about communism. To reuse a metaphor I made earlier, that's a bit like someone saying "These wolves circling the camp suck" and someone responding "Yeah but bears are worse." Okay. But we're not talking about bears. When someone says "We should bring in bears to deal with the wolves," then sure, bring up bears. But, from what you're saying, I guess you feel like you've seen this song and dance before, and are confident that bears were in the subtext, or were about to be brought up. Fine. I get that can make sense to you, but it can be jarring to anyone who isn't sharing that mental context.

Name a country that doesn’t possess any of those problems?

I don't know if there's anywhere on earth that doesn't have some capitalism. I feel confident that unchecked capitalism (which the US favors) leads to worse outcomes than what most of Europe does. Our health care system is pretty bad, in large part because it's run as a capitalist (ie: not owned by the workers) system.

I had more thoughts but someone started texting me, and my train of thought derailed.