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Is it wrong...? (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They're hiding their identities likely for several reasons:

Some are almost certainly not even government employees.
A fair number probably belong to known right-wing terrorist orgs.
Some of them are "closeted" neo-nazis who don't want people in their communities to know that they are neo-nazis.
They fear retaliation for their blatantly illegal actions. Inaction by those with power to help is forcing the populace towards violence as the only means to justice. Also, underground resistance networks have historically conducted assassination of ranking members of occupation forces - they hope that this will protect them from the inevitable consequences of their actions if they succeed in holding onto power and unmaking the last vestiges of democracy.
Concealing identity provides similar deniability for their heinous actions to that of firing squads and other executioners. This makes it easier for them to excuse their actions as "just following orders" (you know, the perennial nazi defense to avoid accepting responsibility for their own actions).
Concealing their identity is part of the terrorism. If it's not possible to know who these people are, they could be your neighbors, or schoolboard members, or even family. This uncertainty is intentional to try to keep the populace in fear of retaliation of exercising their Constitutional rights or resisting. (ie, if your neighbor is an ICE neo-nazi and you don't know, they can inform on you to their superiors, if they see you leaving for/arriving from a protest).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If I said no you're wrong. What exactly could you say that isn't just "it's true because I dreamt it's true"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that there isn't "something big" (though, these other things are pretty big).

Here's some examples of things that I mentioned:

Assassinations: There are a lot of examples to choose from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)
Deindividuation: The psychological phenomenon where members of a group with high levels of anonymity lose sense of self and become increasingly likely to engage in anti-social, violent behavior https://www.britannica.com/topic/deindividuation and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation
Use of makes to terrorize: Why not go to the right-wing OG terrorists https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The reason I pushed back is because I kind of was going for something where we don't make excuses for why they're doing it. Especially if it's just making an educated guess. What would that accomplish?

The point isn't to justify their mask wearing. The point is for us to push questions, just like conspiracy theorists do. That's what forces answers from our representatives. If we stop the questions every time by giving an answer there's no momentum. Every person on the left needs to get better at driving pressure to the right places. We saw this with masks during COVID to the point that people thought they would die from wearing an n95 mask. Is it stupid? Yea. Did it work to drive public opinion to ban masks? Fuck yea it did. And that pressure didn't build because people on the right stopped every other person on the right who brought up the idea that masks might suffocate you. They all had enough social awareness to take those dumb ideas and build off and spread it. They created memes and found studies that supported their ideas. They shared articles of masks killing people. They pushed it all to every comment thread under every politician they could and in every online post. They weren't idiots. They knew what they were doing. The left were idiots for thinking they didn't.

This is a point I want a lot of people too understand here. The left call the right leaning people idiots. They're fucking not. Not even close. Are there idiots among them? Sure. But as a group they are leaps and bounds ahead of anyone on the left. We have a serious problem on the left and I'm not sure how that gets solved because it first needs an awareness of how the left may be dumber and less effective than the right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

EDIT: Sorry. Different thread.