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The US system doesn’t work that way. You have a choice between two people. A vote for a third party is a vote not counted.
You're so engrossed in talking over the other person that you failed to read what they said.
They said "Run a better candidate against" Trump which IS possible to do by the DNC.
Not in this election, it's far too late
The convention absolutely can select a different candidate.
I love that you lot complain that it's not REAL democracy because the DNC is so sneaky behind the scenes, and then in the same breath demand that the DNC undemocratically appoint someone as their candidate who appeals to you and your fellows, voters be damned.
And you wonder why everyone thinks of you as fascists.
It's the duty of the party to nominate an electable candidate is it not? They had a farce of a primary this year, so the only hope left is a hail mary out of the convention.
Oh, so now you DON'T care about democracy in the party. How convenient, how your ideals change depending on which allows you to scream "BOTH SIDES" the loudest.
Democracy in the party flew the coop when we didn't have a real primary this year. Having a single candidate is not democracy. It's a rubber stamp oligarchy.
Just like democracy was destroyed in 2012 when there wasn't a real primary for Obama. I guess we've just been drifting in a sea of fascism ever since.
It certainly wasn't a good thing.
Why wasn't democracy destroyed then? C'mon, show a little consistency! Go ahead, it's not like anyone is falling for the "Very Concerned And Democratic Voter" at this point. It's quite clear that you don't give a single good goddamn about democracy except insofar as it allows you to undermine anyone who isn't a fascist. Like how you decried the DNC for not being democratic enough and then immediately pivoted to claiming the DNC should disregard the voters entirely.
I never said democracy as a whole was destroyed. I said the party is looking for people to rubber stamp it's oligarchs. If you want to be dismissive that's fine but at least keep up.
It's so frustrating to talk to democrat supporters. You guys should remember how that cost the DNC 2016.
Lmao did you mean 'reality observers'?
The primary is over, Jack.
What fucking primary, the dnc did their level best to not allow a real one
What primary? There was some bullshit formality thing. But there wasn't any actual primary.
The "reality observers" that gave trump the election in 2016? Brilliant strategy, "reality observer".
No like, I'm ready to vote for a competitive progressive candidate, but building that candidate will take time. Years.
The next best thing is not-republican.
You guys had Bernie Sanders.
With this level of support and rhetoric:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/chris-matthews-bernie-sanders-public-executions-949802/
Yeah, and a majority of voters didn't turn out for him. You think I was fucking chuffed to go through that twice in a row?
Right, trump vs another candidate. Biden is awful and is the reason why the election is in any kind of jeopardy. But when trump wins in november there'll be no self awareness to be found, that people were promoting an unviable candidate that no one likes.
Maybe the US system doesn't work that way because people keep screaming at everyone who doesn't vote for their one party vs the only other. It's really odd to claim that your vote matters and then yell at anyone who tries to do anything with their vote other than to guarantee their vote for one of two parties. If the argument is to preserve democracy, well, it already looks like we don't have democracy.
Your democracy is at stake and you are yelling that we should do democracy harder instead of attempting to keep the democracy destroyer out of office. Carry on though and personally insult me like you did in your last comment.
I’m not American so I don’t have a dog in this fight.
You're not American and don't have a dog in the fight, but you want to explain the electoral system that I participate in to me. Not sure where I insulted you or yelled (no exclamation point or all-caps/bolded words in sight), so it seems like you've completely misinterpreted my post. I didn't say we should "democracy harder", I said we don't have a democracy and that it's just a facade where people get really passionate about voting for one of only two viable options. Kind of hard to save something that doesn't exist. Will things get worse under republicans? Absolutely. Will democrats do anything about that? Absolutely not. They'll keep the office warm until the next time republicans inevitably win back power in this crooked system.
It’s because we have a winner-takes-all electoral college system. It encourages domination not cooperation and self-perpetuates because it stifles ideological competition. It’s not merely a social phenomenon.
How are we supposed to break out of such a system? Both parties benefit from this system and will never agree to change it. About a decade ago in Canada, the liberal party claimed they'd carry out election reform if they won. They ended up winning big time, but they refused to do what they promised because it would threaten the power structure.