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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It helps that it's being called "southern chiv" which I presume is either southern chivalry or southern knight.

Harper's also noted that this was published weeks before a presidential election.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Southern chivalry is analogous to Southern hospitality; it is a specific set of manners that reflect the ideals of the region. It was called chivalry before women could vote, after which chivalry was seen as old fashioned and the phrase changed into hospitality.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This also would have been the time period relatively shortly after the Civil war. The south is currently coming up with excuses to still not treat recently freed slaves very well, the KKK is rising in power and just recently the conservative Democrat party has taken over the south just a year or 2 ago by killing a large portion of the black Republican base and representatives.

Keeping them down to not risk having to be treated the same is absolutely all the rage in the south despite it causing a massive economic depression. This definitely feels like satire.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I took southern chiv as a reference to a KKK member since they referred to themselves as knights. Or at least something along those lines.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't. It was a term - frequently sarcastic eventually, as in this cartoon - used to describe the "noble" behaviors of southerners.

Here's an article from the time on it, talking about how the rumored "southern chivalry" was anything but: https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/sixteen-months-to-sumter/newspaper-index/new-haven-daily-palladium/southern-chivalry

As someone else.mentioned, a form of it became "southern hospitality" and survived, usually in the complimentary way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like the "knights of the KKK" might have come from the southern chivalry thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Maybe, but I don't think so, at least not directly. I can't find a source, though.

I just think the concept of Knights and Arthurian stuff was popular, and they just both came from the same general popular ideas, instead of one coming from the other.