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The given link contains exactly zero evidence in favor of Orchestrated Objective Reduction — "something interesting observed in vitro using UV spectroscopy" is a far cry from anything having biological relevance, let alone significance for understanding consciousness. And it's not like Orch-OR deserves the lofty label of theory, anyway; it's an ill-defined, under-specified, ad hoc proposal to throw out quantum mechanics and replace it with something else.
The fact that programs built to do spicy autocomplete turn out to do spicy autocomplete has, as far as I can tell, zero implications for any theory of consciousness one way or the other.
Bro the main objection to Orch-OR is that the brain is too warm for Quatnum stuff to happen there, and then they found Quantum stuff in the brain.
Kludging an "objective reduction" process into the dynamics is throwing out quantum mechanics and replacing it with something else. And because Orch-OR is not quantum mechanics, every observation that a quantum effect might be biologically important somewhere is irrelevant. Orch-OR isn't "quantum biology", it's pixie-dust biology.
it’s very important to me that you don’t type the words “Blake Stacey” into a search engine while explaining quote unquote Quatnum stuff to them
Oh I see... I didn't realize you were trying to tell me I was talking to Blake Stacey or that he was respected in Quantum Mechanics. I completely misinterpreted what you were trying to tell me. I blame it on the inability of text to properly convey sarcasm.
you couldn't even be affronted with wit? dire
I had mis-interpreted the comment to along the lines of something like "You're just copying and pasting what you heard of Spirit Science aren't you?"
My most humble apologizes. Maybe I just wasn't paying hard enough attention.
I don't know anything about a Blake Stacey, but from context clues I'm assuming she's one of those Quantum Mysticism nut jobs. Naw I don't go for that sort of thing, and neither should anybody with even a single crumb of common sense.
Free Advice: If anyone says they're going to heal you with "Quantum Healing", it's code for "I have no medical training, and if you listen to me, you're going to die horribly."
I get claims about Quantum Mechanics being involved with consciousness are a little sus, but given Penrose's pedigree, history, and reputation and how much the science seems to check out I trust him. I know many have their doubts about the Orch-OR theory, but after doing a lot of reading up on it I think it reasonable to conclude that the reason it hasn't been more widely embraced is due to quacks like Deepak Chopra and his ilk poisoning the well with his talk of "Quantum Consciousness"
You're not doing yourself any favors with this reply.
Psst, check the usernames of the people in this thread!
Who needs usernames when you have "context clues" instead? :-P
If it helps, I know who you are and will still happily tell you incorrect information about yourself and your profession if asked to!
Wow, I guess humans and LLMs aren't so different after all!
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randoms from /all wandering into the vale of sneers: https://www.buttersafe.com/2008/10/23/the-detour/
many such cases!