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All communist regimes are authoritarian by nature
Is this a comment on the inevitably of human nature, or a misunderstanding of communism (which if done properly is stateless)?
Communism is authoritarian because it puts the needs of a social construct (a "commune" or "society") over the needs, rights and freedoms of an individual. It doesn't matter how you want to paint it, it's always authoritarian.
As should be the fucking case, you chimp. Otherwise, I am free to bash your head on the pavement as part of my "individual freedom".
Oh look, Nazis are here.
Right, the famously Nazi Communists... can you make a single sensible remark, or is it all brain rot?
Come back when Commies start supporting human rights and freedoms.
All brain rot, got it
Visit a doctor then.
I think that's a gross misunderstanding on your part.
No, I think that's a gross misunderstanding on YOUR part.
Well you would wouldn't you, what with the whole gross misunderstanding part?
Are you talking to a mirror?
Yeah it's like I said, communism done properly.
Yeah that's fair.
Is it better if I rephrase it as “all regimes founded on communist ideas and visions are authoritarian by nature”?
A truly communist "regime" is not something that should ever exist as communism is a stateless philosophy thus inherently not authoritarian by its very nature.
It's the bit in between capitalism and communism that historically has been coopted by bad actors to create authoritarian regimes, these regimes tend to still call themselves communist because "lol fuck your revolution I'm in charge now" doesn't have the same PR value.
In short: a true communism cannot exist.
Probably just that every rendition of communism so far has been authoritarian.
There can be no other rendition.
I would argue that an authoritarian state cannot be communist, though plenty have called themselves so.
Hippie communes are a counterexample.
Hippie communes are not countries and are dependent on the goodwill of everyone else around them.
Every large scale rendition, then.
Goal posts successfully moved
Goal post was successfully moved when hippie communities were brought up as a “regime”.
The previous comments were specifically talking about communist "regimes," and I clarified what I thought they meant to say. You shifted the framing to be pedantic, unless you genuinely count hippy communes as communist regimes.
Well if that's what you meant, then no shit a "regime" is authoritarian -- that's basically true by definition. But that just means your comment was tautological and vacuous, so what was your point?
Ok, swap out regime for a country. Show me a country where communism has run well (as in not an authoritarian state).
Answer: none