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Nobody is going to work for slave wages and slavery conditions. Raise wages! Improve working conditions! That's the point of the whole Trump immigration policies you dumbass!
even if they did all that, its pretty back breaking work, you will your back or joints will be destroyed in the 30s, thats why also people dont stay in the trades that long either. disc disease from wear, is pretty hard to treat.
Which means the pay has to rise even more.
My guess is that this is a Peter Thiel move and robot companies are almost ready to deploy their farm helpers.
The prices for grocery shopping are much higher in the US than in Germany (30% to 100% higher for unprocessed, healthy food). Yes, we also have immigration workers, but their status is legal and they get the official minimum wage.
It’s not that the US can’t afford to lower prices without illegals, they just want to maximise profit.
https://livingcost.org/cost/germany/united-states (You need to scroll down to the grocery part)
To be fair, in Germany a lot of food is imported from other countries that have different labor protections, so Spanish tomatoes could have different conditions. Of course Aldi and Lidl have popularized super efficient supply chains that help keeping prices low (and AFAIK they pay reasonable salaries).
not to mention, the fuckery around shrinkflation/cheapflation. many other products like oral care is heavily shrinkflationed.
Which raises prices, while wages won't be
You might want to let Trump know that these are his objectives. I don’t think he’s aware that he’s supposed to strengthen OSHA and fight for higher wages.
he already gave the response to people complaining" you voted for what i cammpaigned on, deal with it"-paraphased trump exact words.
Is it? Why would you think that.
The point is to get votes and financial support from racists and xenophobes. The policies are just tools for it.
I thought farmers were their base though.
the rich white farm owners, yes. the owners dont do any of the farm work.
The point is racism and cruelty.
The Republicans don't give a fuck about workers wages.
they prefer slaves.
The fuck are you talking about? It's the Democrats saying we need a slave class, that we can't deport them, not the Republicans.
25 downvotes, no upvotes?
Downvotes don't change the past and the fact that Democrats enabled slavery.
Leaving this here instead of removing this dumbfuck comment for disinformation based on an intellectually dishonest half-truth.
Sorry but I didn't mean it in that historic perspective and neither did OP.
It doesn't matter what people say, it's important what happens. By keeping illegal immigrants in their exploitive conditions, and by e.g. not prosecuting those who employ illegal immigrants, the Democrats created the current situation, together with the Republicans. The Democrats are complicit.
Nevertheless, those are interesting links.
Ah, sorry, that makes sense. If you didn't know, there's a common Republican talking point that – because the Democrats were the racist slavers in the 1800s and the Repuublicans the progressive abolitionists – the modern-day Democrats are the real racists because like, like, uh, look at what they did 160 years ago! Completely ignoring, of course, the context I linked to above.
I'm used to it. Lemmy has problems with the reality of the democrat party.
To what Democratic policy or policies are you referring?
The one against deporting illegal immigrants?
Okay, but like specifically what law, proposed or enacted?
Psst: the deranged focus on deporting every single undocumented immigrant actually makes it easier for employers to exploit undocumented immigrants. You can’t threaten to deport someone for organizing labor if the government is only deporting criminals.
It is indeed baffling that immigrants worked all this time for slave wages under slavery conditions. USA is full of people taking advantage of others. It is not just Trump, it is the 50% of the population that is anti-social psychopathic sociopath.
Capitalism
I don't think a lot of them realized just how bad it was, maybe not even a passing thought. I'm willing to give a pass to anyone who isn't a farmer or has experience farming.
For real. In America being a psychopath is rewarded with money. And what's worse is that there is something very dark and heartless happening that seems to have a hold of not just the government but the people as well. Like it's now becoming known at least slightly, that America is not the image it branded itself as and that the people here are very much being manipulated socially and society is being orchestrated to be something that is not for humanity but instead for an ideology that feels like the essence of evil.
We should be realizing our nation isn't for humanity. It's all strictly business, and "the game" of conquering life and existence. And anything that gets in the way is the enemy.
As citizens here we aren't special. They can do the same things they do to other countries to us. We can become the middle east warzone. The only reason they don't do it inside the nation bluntly is because then it would show their true colors. So what they do is manipulate and divide the citizens over simple things and watch the citizens destroy themselves. The same geopolitical methods they use to overthrow countries they use here.
That's true anywhere on the planet.
it is not anywhere near baffling. it is an example of exactly how disgusting and terrible capitalism is. these times should be moving people radically left.
Meh, I mean sure capitalism sucks, but these people would try to exploit others for personal gain under any system.
And they won't be able to if they never had the power (money in capitalism) to do so to begin with.
"Try" is the key word here. It only matters if anyone succeeds.
get ready for 300-400% inflation on food
That would be unpleasant, yes, and would require further efforts to minimize the consequences for those with low incomes (for instance, expansion of food subsidies, which yes would require even more taxation of those with wealth), however, if food prices aren't as high as that now because of near slavery conditions, then there's probably no ethical way to avoid it.
EXPANSION of food subsidies? They just gutted USDA programs providing food to food shelves all over the country. My local food bank recently switched to every two weeks instead of every week. It's already bad and only getting worse
You may misunderstand, I'm not making any prediction that this administration or any like what we've had in a long time, if ever, would do such a thing. What I'm saying is that if some government was installed that actually cared, it's not an impossibly to improve agricultural labor conditions without driving the working class broke from food cost increases.
Oh yeah, that's definitely true. But our food system isn't ass backwards on accident, you know?
It's not inflation if that is actually how much it always should have cost. Our food is too cheap and full of shit.
This is what people don't understand.
Yes, the work is hard, but good old Americans will do the work if they are paid.
No pay, no work.
You got three sentences correct.