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Broken clock and all that (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't Play Boy rather progressive at all times? What's the broken clock?

I really hate peoples' misconstruing of attraction with objectification. The presence of nudity doesn't make something bad, exploitative, or wrong. The presence of someone attractive does not mean that is the entire point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Good lord no, playboy was always super misogynistic. Hugh Hefner was MASSIVELY problematic lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

He wanted Playboy to be progressive (on abortion, weed, euthanasia, sexuality, etc), and he wanted equality for women, but he personally didn't live by those same rules. Rules for thee, not for me, etc.
That's just my opinion, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I won't defend Hefner, but the articles genuinely were (and are) as far to the left as you'll see in any widely circulated publication. Being associated with porn gave them cover to write whatever they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The hilarious part is that as the number and availability of nude photos has increased geometrically, buying old vintage Playboys for the articles is legitimately a thing now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Penn Jillette was a writer for playboy, and Margret Atwood, Kurt Vonnegut, Roald Dahl

Like tons of famous autrhors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Don’t forget your favorite kids poet, Shel Silverstein

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

For sure but that doesn't mean he couldn't be progressive especially for the time. Know nothing about him tbh but many historical progressive figures are pretty problematic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There is definitely something to be said of context. Any learned feminist should know that. First and second wave feminism would be (and are) downright toxic by today's standards, but back then, that veneer of vicious independence was absolutely necessary when pitted against that very ingrained patriarchy of the time.

Not to say the patriarchy is solved by any means, just that fewer and fewer positions of power are gendered by expectation.