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Woman who was held hostage by Hamas speaks out on her abduction and sexual assault (edition.cnn.com)

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yes, thank you for reminding everyone we condemn Hamas, it's really hard to know if the West supports terrorists or not and unfortunately I have to state that's sarcasm. Nobody is siding with the terrorist insurgency but fuck Israel for making conditions so inhumane, so unlivable, so untenable that the only solution they can reasonably find is to fight a state fully funded by the United States. Nobody chooses to fight the US without believing they're going to die anyway.

Israel created their own villains and I have zero fucking sympathy for them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you have sympathy for the woman raped by Hamas?

Israel is not that woman. I don't have sympathy for their government, but I certainly have sympathy for this woman.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Sure do, that's why my first comment said it was sad and sucks for her but knowing there are at least a dozen more Palestinian women who were also raped, whose names will never be known to the world, who didn't get to go on television and talk about it, who were killed afterwards as they likely begged for their lives, who were then rolled into a fucking mass grave. It makes it really, really hard to care about this woman and her problems.

I'm not going to let her unfortunate situation overshadow the extreme brutality happening to the Palestinians. Not any longer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A lot of us can do two things at once, and feel bad for this woman without it detracting from how much worse things are for Palestinian women. We can mourn and condemn the small and the large atrocities. We can care about all the victims and damn all the perpetrators.

But that said, I actually do understand what you been. Because it seems a lot of people are incapable of doing both at once, and they'll focus on the lesser atrocity over the larger. And so, you have to remind people of the worse situation, even if it seems callous. I think I get where you're coming from.

The only thing I'd say is that for people like us, who have more than two braincells, we can care about this woman and her problems, and also care about the countless more Palestinians and their problems. We can keep that in mind personally while we point out the greater problem. And I think it's imperative that we do keep everything in mind, because it helps us maintain our humanity in inhumane times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That's wild because twice now I've said to you that I feel bad for her and it sucks but it's a distraction from the horrors quite literally from the other side of the border. I am not going to morun a paper cut in front of someone missing their leg. I am not going to stop and express great loss to someone who survived their attack in front of someone who lost loved ones to the same kind of attack.

The people who are overly concerned about this woman are the ones trying to use her story as a smokescreen against the atrocities their side have committed. The "Hamas did a bad thing!! Don't pay attention to the IDF doing the same thing exponentially more times! Listen to how bad her story is!"

The dead can't speak. They can't relive their trauma because they're gone. Extinguished. Stop missing the forest for the trees and start looking at the broader context. But you know, you're right, you've helped me realize maybe I don't give a shit about her story because she's choosing to use that story as propaganda. Thanks, Aragorn. Fuck that woman and her problems. I choose to believe that only the inhumane would placate to these small stories while the victims of true abuse have no voice. Buried under the rubble of their homes, losing their lives wishing for nothing more than to just live a little longer.

If there is even a glimmer of humanity left it is not with the IDF. It is not with Israel. And it most certainly is not with the people who try to defend them. There is no middle ground to this conflict, my friend. You are either a monster or are fighting them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

OK but funding terrorist groups is an absolutely standard practice of empires, on a large scale in the past few centuries. They either do it quietly, "accidentally", or rebrand the group in their propaganda ('fighting for liberty/against oppression' & stuff like that). "Terrorism" just means the predominant use of terror in a fight (instead of like regular direct war horrors where you kill 100+ thousand people in a single day by carpet bombing civilian population & that destruction itself is the main goal and terror just a lesser side effect). Terrorism is chapter, less death and destruction overall too, so major empires would usually start their conquests with that & save the direct military action (or economic ownership via corporations) for later.

USA does that all the time in a very British Empire sort of way, either to fight the current government/regime/system they (economically mostly) dislike or to prolong some weird status quo. I mean, the ruling party of Israel has undeniable roots of terrorism (like literally, before joining with some other parties & a very vague rebranding since their beliefs didn't change all that much). Same with Palestinian ruling party (but you know, they just used to live there, so under conditions like that an organisation like that sort of libration-terrorist grup is bound to emerge - and this was known throughout the formation of Israel). And both parties were democratically elected iirc.