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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I culture cells for a living. Not that these are the only ways, but the most common and effective ways to grow cells in the lab is to add either FBS (fetal bovine serum) or BSA (bovine serum albumin) to the culture media. Currently we don't mass produce BSA in an animal free manner and FBS is by nature an animal product. Granted, that the products of one animal may in fact allow manufacturers produce more than enough 'animal-free meat' to overcome this but I haven't seen any numbers. I'm interested in hearing more about these techniques going forward and in determining if animal-free products can really be produced animal free.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

A man of culture I see

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I culture cells for a living.

Relatable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you use Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) to make your meat?

No, for a simple reason: we’re committed to making meat without causing any harm at all to animals. So we’ve developed a production process that doesn’t require FBS.

That's what they say.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where did you read this? Could you link a source please?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What if it requires 1/1000th the number of animals … but each one suffers a hundred times more?

Would it be worth it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From a utilitarian perspective, you're still reducing overall suffering by an order of magnitude, so your scenario is still a greater good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

This assumes a linear value function of course

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

stem cells can suffer? this isn't cloning an animal, it's cloning certain tissues.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Hence the word “if” here. A hypothetical scenario.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you quantify suffering?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If you don’t have a way of quantifying suffering, perhaps all utilitarian calculus is bunk?