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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

did you actually personally see all these financial statements?

Yes. I have the login credentials to their two accounts with Merrill Lynch, and my dad's 401(k) with Fidelity. I personally reallocated the funds in the latter account on behalf of my dad, with his permission, to my recommendation. Those three accounts are over $2 million total.

On second thought, there is one investment account which I have not seen, which is my mom's etrade with $112k. I have no reason to doubt her though, based on their other (personally verified) assets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's a good point with the car analogy. A lot of times I feel like we should level this 1960s house and start all over, but spending that kind of money would give my dad a heart attack.

The cPTSD is something I've only recently begun to suspect about myself; I haven't yet discussed it with my psychiatrist. It started when I googled "why do cute things make me cry" and the first result landed me on a related post on the cPTSD subreddit. Then I started recalling all the times that I became extremely, inexplicably emotional when watching tender family moments play out in animated TV shows.

For example: there is an episode of Rick and Morty that ends with Morty crying on his bed (or maybe he was just visibly upset---I don't remember), because he had just broken up with his first girlfriend and was experiencing a painful new emotion for the first time. It was very sad---something that might even bring a reasonably well-adjusted viewer to tears if they were emotionally invested in the story and could identify with the characters. But that's not what hit me.

Morty's mom, Beth, hears him crying and walks into his room, up to his bed, sits next to him, embraces him (😮), strokes him (😱) and says "there, there. Mommy's here... mommy's here..." Morty sobs... but I start sobbing harder than a five-year-old kid who just watched a movie where the dog dies. WTF!? I was shocked. "OMG. Parents can do that!? That would have felt SO good," I thought. I tried to think: What would my parents would have done thirty years ago in that scenario? I think they would both gawk in horror at me---IF they noticed my distress at all. Hugging me would not have even crossed their mind---I am dead serious. Speaking soothing words would also have been beyond their skill set.

Then the whole prolonged trauma thing made sense. It's not a single event that made me cry myself to sleep one night and left me with trauma, it's the accumulation of mini traumas with zero emotional guidance.

I tried as hard as I could to recall a hug from my parents. I think I hugged them at the airport or something a couple times... I think (as a formality). Phrases never uttered in my childhood household include:

  • "How are you?"
  • "How was your day?"
  • "I love you."
  • "I'm proud of you."
  • "I'm sorry that happened to you."
  • "Are you okay?"
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I've been so focused on removing the shackles of debt my whole adult life that I haven't thought much about it. You're right, what are they going to do to my parents if they don't pay it? Ruin their credit rating? Don't need that anymore. Pull their Social Security? I doubt it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes. I posted that when I had just finally learned the full truth about their financial situation. I walked away without reading any replies, because the subject was too much to deal with at the time. I should qualify that I later learned that some of that $600k included one of my dad's IRA's which was simply moved to another investment firm, so my mom wasn't responsible for all of that loss---I could probably log in and calculated the exact amount if I really cared to (I don't)---however, I know that there were other accounts in the past that she moved from ~$150k to $0 through panic trading, and I could glean from that said $600k account that her choice of stocks in the long term (~20 years) performed significantly below market average, despite good performance over the past few years (as is typical). So my depiction of the situation was still emotionally accurate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have enough experience with life to know that it leaves a lot of people fucked up through little or no fault of their own. I have sympathy, and see them as deeply flawed people trying their best. They are playing out the role of parents that was modeled to them in their own childhood. I'm trying to balance kindness towards them with vocalizing my trauma. It's particularly hard with my mom, because it breaks her heart to hear about that stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He talks frequently about how the retirement money is more for her than him. There's a dissonant mixture of love and contempt. He was head-over-heels for her, but his anger issues pushed her away. She took up religion (subconsciously?) to spite him, because she was too submissive and traditional to leave him, and he hated nothing more than religion. He still sometimes snipes at her about "preachers". I think it's okay to hate televangelists as he does, but he should have long ago either accepted who she is, or left her.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It could very well be as "simple" as depression and past trauma. My sister mentioned schizoid personality disorder yesterday, and reading about it kind of sounds like my dad except for the "not getting angry" part.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Just my mom.

Well, maybe my little brother too. He found Jesus a couple years ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My mom finally leveled with me and showed me her Merrill Lynch account about a year ago to ease my depression and make me feel okay about buying things for myself like clothing. My financial anxiety was immediately wiped away and replaced with confusion and anger. Overall, it was a great improvement though (that's how much money weighs on people under capitalism). I'm trying to process the anger in a healthy way and repair the family. My parents are fucked up and have difficulties expressing their affection for me, but they would both die for me in a heartbeat. I'd be living on the streets without them, and I know of parents who would instead let that happen instead. My mom has also been very kind in letting me buy a few treats for myself over the past year, which is something I can do with a healthy conscious now that I have the full picture of their financial situation. It's been therapeutic towards the trauma of past penny-pinching.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

I got my ADHD from him. But I got diagnosed and started coping ten years ago. He's never had the benefit of that awareness. I'm trying to share my techniques.

The credit card debt is a result of a lack of communication and mutual decision making. My mom handles all of the finances, and she has been covering the costs of treats but also all the emergency expenses with the credit cards, because she doesn't want her stock numbers to go down. If my dad had his way, he would probably have chosen to sell some stocks instead.

I've tried the age angle, and also the resell value angle. Too early to tell if it worked. People rarely turn around and say "yes, you're correct" when it comes to deeply personal issues. You can only plant the seed and wait to let the gears turn on their own.

 

My dad is 78 years old, and my mom turns 69 this year. My dad plans to work for another year because he "can't afford to retire". Here is their financial overview:

Assets

  • 401(k) and IRA savings totaling just under $2 million.
  • Total income of roughly $109k according to last year's IRS filing (including mandatory Social Security disbursements, despite not yet being retired, due to my dad's age) in a low cost-of-living area. Excellent health insurance through my dad's job.
  • Outright ownership our single-family home. No mortgages!
  • Full-ownership of two SUVs, each purchased new less than ten years ago. No auto loans!
  • ~Fifty acres of rural real-estate, including a mid-sized tractor and a giant metal barn/shed that is almost twice the size of our house, and has a loft. No mortgages on the property.
  • A sailboat.
  • ~$20k sitting in their checking account right now
  • ~$400k of (non-retirement) stock investments ALL IN ONE SINGLE GOLD MINING COMPANY!

Liabilities

  • ~$70k of credit card debt at ~30% APR (!?), which I just recently this week convinced my mom to pay off, after a year of begging and pleading.
  • ~$150k in student loans at ~7% APR in my mom's name which she took out on behalf of the educations for me and my two siblings (I also would have paid these off years ago if I had any say).

What's Wrong?

They choose to live in poverty (of sorts), to forgo basic necessities, and to let their home---which they've lived in for nearly forty years---rot in disrepair.

  • About half of the house's exterior paint has flaked off completely. The rest is "boiling" off.
  • Our roof leaks every time it rains because we have needed new shingles for maybe twenty years (IDK). The shingles are boiling and warped, just like the paint.
  • ~40% of the walls in the house are bare, unpainted drywall from half-finished renovations my dad started thirty years ago.
  • ~20% of the walls have drywall on only one side. The other side is studs with bare wires running through them.
  • ~30% of the flooring is literally the concrete foundation, also from half-finished renovations my dad started thirty years ago.
  • One window in one of the two guest bedrooms has been half-made of duck tape for the past twenty-five years, because it was broken and never replaced.
  • There are several inch-wide gaps in the hallway ceiling surrounding the drop-down ladder to the attic through which 130F air pours directly into the central AC intake.
  • Our one and only working shower broke last year---the water would only trickle out. Instead of calling a plumber, my dad just suffered with for nearly a month, because it was no biggie---it just took twenty times as long to take a shower is all.
  • I thought that the one nice thing we had in our home was a proper stovetope range hood that blows the air outside instead of recirculating it into the house. Yesterday I found out that ours has been blowing the greasy hot air into our attic (where they store belongings) for the past twenty years, because my dad hasn't yet finished its duct work.

Our energy bills are huge. Did I mention we live in swamp-ass Texas and it gets 110F for much of the summer? In the past forty years they haven't invested a dime in energy efficiency improvements. It gets worse.

About ten years ago, our central air conditioner (which was probably installed in 1975 and came with the house when they bought it) broke down.

Instead of shelling out the cash for a new central unit, they bought one of those horribly inefficient portable ones that attaches to the window via a long hose. This brought the indoor living room temperatures down to ~89F in the summer. My dad would sit on the couch in his Walter White tidey-whitey underpants, sweating, two fans blowing on him, complaining constantly about the summer heat. They used shitty window units in the bedrooms. When the shitty portable unit in the living room died after just two years, they replaced it with a slightly less shitty portable unit from another company.

We finally got a new proper central air conditioner to go with our existing central air infrastructure (!) three months ago, after much pleading, protesting, and shaming by me.


A Vignette

Last night, I interrupted my parents nightly Netflix binge to talk to Dad about the roof. I mentioned how it's a no-brainer which pays for itself by adding value to the home (their financial asset!), and that every day we go without a new one, more damage accumulates---which will cost even more to repair.

His reply has been echoing in my head ever since...

grillman "A new roof could cost almost $10,000. Where am I going to get that kind of money?"

My dad refuses to hire contractors, because there are none in existence that he "trusts" to do it right. That's why the paint is peeling. Because before painting the house, he plans to REBUILD the sides of the house with lumber and his own two hands. Because you don't want to paint a shitty house, right? His plan is to wait until he retires, and then just do everything.


Similarly, I talked to my mom days ago about how how a couple professional HVAC renovations totaling about one thousand dollars could drastically improve the airflow, efficiency, comfort, and noise level of our home.

You know what she said?

"Oh, no. I don't want to invest that much money into the house. We're not going to live here forever."

They do not communicate AT ALL. They are both living in the future in separate fantasy worlds.


My entire life I grew up thinking we were destitute, because *gestures around*, but mainly because my dad does nothing but complain about money and how everybody else is a rich doctor. My parents have been extremely cryptic and weird about finances for my entire life. My dad refused to tell HIS OWN WIFE his income for DECADES. The ONLY thing I knew about their financial situation until a few months ago (I'm 37) is that they had tens of thousands of dollars in credit card debt. This has caused me and my siblings incalculable anxiety and stress. I was in bed with depression for years, thinking we were going to be thrown onto the streets at any moment. My mom could only tell me "not to worry about it". Yeah, that helps.

Any mention of finances will launch my dad into the same fucking speech about how his income is "going to go down to almost half" when he retires---he basically guilts you for bringing up the subject, in a condescending tone. He is an extremely miserable, dour, joyless man who emits an energy field which doubles the cortisol levels of everyone in a ten meter radius. He is incapable of warmth and affection. He is short-tempered and belittles my mom. My mom puts up with all of it because she's an evangelical and Jesus told her that he will one day make my dad a Christian and a good person, basically. She told me that circa 1997.

I asked my mom why she has all of that money on the "roulette table" (extremely un-diversified, volatile investments). I asked her what in this world she wanted the money for... She said she wanted new underwear and a new couch. That's it. Oh, and she wants her family to be happy. Finally, she revealed the true reason: Jesus tells her when to buy and sell the gold company stock, and she will one day make SO much money on the stock market that my dad will have no choice but to see that God is real, and accept Jesus Christ into his heart as his Lord and personal savior (and make their life and marriage perfect, I guess). She can't imagine or articulate any big-ticket item that she actually desires, she just wants to be "rich". She doesn't want to spend the money she has RIGHT NOW to improve the lives of her family RIGHT NOW.

I am still unpacking the C-PTSD I accumulated from a childhood of extreme emotional neglect. BOTH of my siblings have been involuntarily hospitalized for schizophrenia that manifested in the past three years. During our childhood, my mom spent all day in bed asleep with depression, and my dad didn't know I existed, even though I was right in front of him the whole time. Neither of them have any social skills whatsoever. We ate family dinners at the table together in complete silence for eighteen years. I didn't even know that wasn't normal.