quindraco

I am saying they claimed that. I have no more knowledge than you do if they were telling the truth.

Of course not. It was only three times where the problem was asking for consent to kiss, not only three times for consent period. My consent rejection list is considerably longer than 3.

Didn't I see you in those threads about the women choosing bears over men supporting the idea of men listening when women tell men they need to change their behaviour? Why are you now attacking me for doing it?

You are free to assume they lied to me.

What's amusing is that these same people will, in other threads, bash men who take the only other feasible approach, which is the giving up you're referring to. They want to have their cake and eat it, too: in this thread, it's never ok to make a pass at a woman, but if you make a thread about being lonely, you'll be told you're a coward for not making passes at women.

Or, you know, give women what they are literally telling me they want, which is what I did.

I wish I lived in your world. I've had 3 rejections specifically because I asked for permission to kiss.

I'm very interested in how many posters in this thread are non-virgin men, because I'm not seeing any discussion of how behaviour like this is often absolutely necessary in order to get anywhere with a woman. Every woman I've ever met, including my current gf, has found explicit consent at every step an absolute mood-killer, and I've been rejected multiple times by other women for checking for it. I'm expected to sinply make an advance and give her the opportunity to reject it. I absolutely hate this, but it's reality. I'm sure not all women are like the women I've met, and I don't have hard numbers for you, but it's also how every woman works in every movie, every book, every story about romance, so I'm sure most people reading this post at least understand what I'm referring to.