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Fascism is liberalism's plan B, as confirmed by History and by liberal theory itself.

Historically, look at Latin America (I am Brazilian). All over Latin America, when people elected leftist (not even communist) governments within the institutions of liberal democracy, the elite (with US support) staged a coup and installed a military dictatorship, effectively saying: no, the people are not allowed to choose socialism. So we hereby abolish democracy.

And Jacobin covers the justification for this under liberal theory itself:

So, important liberal thinkers insisted as early as John Locke, you can’t tax the rich without their consent. If you do so, you give the victims of these policies a good reason to rebel and use violence against the usurpers. Liberal politics thus had a dictatorial option inscribed in it from the very beginning. And so it became a dogma to assume that the main task of politics is to protect property, and its principal sin to inveigh against it. But of course, that is a very narrow definition of what politics can or should do. And we suffer from that confinement to this day. In a typical Western democracy, you can do many things — as long as you refrain from infringing on private property. [1]

In short: liberal theory itself gives absolute priority to private property (over the means of production). If it conflicts with democracy, democracy is tossed out the window.

I always clarify "over the means of production" when attacking private property. There is this widespread confusion that communist thugs are going to invade your house and confiscate your bike. AFAIK, communists don't do that.

Fun fact: in 1989 Brazilian elections, neoliberal Collor terrorized the people saying that Lula would confiscate everyone's savings. With infamous support from Rede Globo (massive right-wing biased media corporation), Collor won, then quickly moved to confiscate everyone's savings. Lula was elected in 2002, 2006 and 2022, and did nothing of the sort. Sadly, Lula is not communist, but social democrat.

1: https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

Context. If you look at the terrible Allied violence in WWII, without context, you easily conclude the Allies were the villains.

Also, of course, there is widespread capitalist propaganda.

Would you say that communists should not concentrate our energies attempting to prevent liberal democracy from turning into fascism? Like supporting social-democratic parties to keep fascists away. My understanding is that liberal "democracy" has some temporary advantages over fascism, but is not worth much energy.

Fascism is more acutely violent, but also temporary. Hitler initiated a war against much of the World, which he could not win. He was also incompetent. Out of insane hubris, he bypassed his generals and military strategists, because he was the chosen genius. Allegedly he didn't have a real strategy to defeat the British Empire. He wanted to win the war by winning battle after battle. Thus he was defeated (largely by the Red Army), and "only" some 80 million lives were lost.

Liberal "democracy", on the other hand, kills ten million people every few years, for centuries.

Fascism is brutal, crass, and visibly hateful. Liberal "democracy" is sophisticated, less acutely violent, and is falsely compassionate, but is also more competent at preserving itself and making victims.

Hi comrade! I am new here. Anyway, what you said is confirmed by History and by liberal theory itself.

Historically, look at Latin America (I am Brazilian). All over Latin America, when people elected leftist (not even communist) governments within the institutions of liberal democracy, the elite (with US support) staged a coup and installed a military dictatorship, effectively saying: no, the people are not allowed to choose socialism. They chose socialism, so we hereby abolish democracy.

And Jacobin covers the justification for this under liberal theory itself:

So, important liberal thinkers insisted as early as John Locke, you can’t tax the rich without their consent. If you do so, you give the victims of these policies a good reason to rebel and use violence against the usurpers. Liberal politics thus had a dictatorial option inscribed in it from the very beginning. And so it became a dogma to assume that the main task of politics is to protect property, and its principal sin to inveigh against it. But of course, that is a very narrow definition of what politics can or should do. And we suffer from that confinement to this day. In a typical Western democracy, you can do many things — as long as you refrain from infringing on private property. [1]

In short: liberal theory itself gives absolute priority to private property (over the means of production). If it conflicts with democracy, then democracy is tossed out the window. Fascism is liberalism's plan B.

I always clarify "over the means of production" when attacking private property. There is this widespread confusion that communist thugs are going to invade your house and confiscate your bike. AFAIK, communists don't do that.

Fun fact: in 1989 Brazilian elections, neoliberal Collor terrorized the people saying that Lula would confiscate everyone's savings. With infamous support from Rede Globo (massive right-wing biased media corporation), Collor won, then quickly moved to confiscate everyone's savings. Lula was elected in 2002, 2006 and 2022, and did nothing of the sort. Sadly, Lula is not communist, but social democrat.

1: https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism

Hi. I thank you for your offer, but now I have actually manually mass subscribed to all interesting community on four of my desired instances. Lemmy.ml is too big so I stopped partway.

According to the IMF, the US has 15% of the world PPP GDP, versus China's 20%.

I have had grave mental health problems, connected with far-right obscurantist conspiracy theories. My mental health and worldview have improved together and now I am a communist sympathizer. See https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4218443/6102383

I surely hope your depression never returns!

I was a gravely mentally ill far-right Catholic theocrat here in Brazil. Mental illness (clearly connected with obscurantist conspiracy theories) took me from extraordinary academic performance to great failure. In about 2009 many things converged to dramatically improve my mental health and start a slow leftwards conversion. It accelerated in 2017 when I met Anahuac, a free software militant and communist. The common cause (software freedom) helped pierce my anticommunist indoctrination. It accelerated further in 2025 with Lemmy and a fellow Brazilian engineer who is a PCBR comrade.

Within the last few months I have watched many communist and anti-imperialist videos, listed to the great Communist Manifesto (in audio book form) over and over again, formed a small online group for fellow communist (and sympathizers) engineers, and defend communism with enough energy to be called a CPC propagandist -- although my arguments have also been strongly praised by several people, including fellow communists, center-leftists and even conservatives. I am now looking to buy The German Ideology. I am still on Lula's Workers Party (accused of neoliberalism), but when I have enough knowledge, I will decide between trying to radicalize the Worker's Party from within or joining an openly communist party.

I now I follow a much more authentic line of Catholicism. I am a fan of Pope Francis, who has made good progress in the Holy See ("Vatican"), although not nearly enough.

For individuals and families who so choose I support authentic Christianity, with due separation of Church and State and friendship with people of other religions such as our Muslim brothers and sisters. For the State, definitely communism!

What about buying Vietnamese? Is Vietnam comparable to the PRC in terms of socialist model? Should we favor it as much as the PRC?

Voting with your dollars is not very effective and we should not put great hope in it, but still I definitely prefer Brazilian first (I am Brazilian) and Chinese second. The PRC is a model for the world.

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Thank you. I now read the correct post, and layer will read the article by Jones Manoel.