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If your only reason to seek education is to make money, you 100% deserve to fail and suffer.

A) eastern Oregon all combined has about the GDP of Portland. If it were it's own state, it'd be among the poorest and require tens of billions of federal funds to operate at all. If it joined Idaho, Idaho would actually become less productive per capita while the remaining Oregon becomes more productive.

B) if independent it would give two solid red senate seats

C) most of its water comes from the Cascades, which would absolutely vote to remain in western Oregon, meaning they'd forever be dependent on a blue state, and would be taking advantage of blue states investment into water management while contributing nothing.

D) this move, if allowed at the federal level, would encourage other balkanization of states, creating mass confusion among businesses, generating billions in new costs to handle the bureaucratic strain, and generally make doing anything positive with taxes impossible for decades. That's without dealing with the massive number of lawsuits, e.g. decades long contracts with states that Might be invalidated with the new state that needs to be settled.

Which is what I'm continuing to talk about.

...was that ever in question? Democrats are far right losers that are too incompetent to even convince people they're not.

All countries where you dont ever have to worry about working while sick, and can go to the hospital freely.

You're really not understanding how shit the US is.

Really, your link includes healthcare costs, so unemployment benefits, welfare, and food costs?

I haven't clicked on it but if it's a GDP comparison alone or an inflation comparison that does not include that, edit: I don't know how to address what you just linked, given it has nothing to do with the conversation.

...those areas are not on the West Coast. Pull up Portland and cry.

As someone that's been lucky enough to live outside the US most of my life, any country in the EU would require decades of economic depression to reach the disgrace that is the US cost of living vs income.

You people have been dangling the same carrot for longer than the average American has been alive. It's like you people forget Bill Clinton was the lesser evil compromise. So was Obama, so was hrc, so was Biden.

If the US falls to fascism good, maybe you people will wake up. If not, and it's absolutely not anymore fascist now than it was 5 or a hundred years ago, then in 2026 and 2028 Dems will still lose if they keep trying to blame everyone but their own shitty policies for their losses.

To your propaganda about being better off than other countries, that has never been true, it's still not now.

That's a full 3$ more than it is on the West Coast. Sorry you guys have a higher cost of living.

There is simply no contradiction there. Supporting fascism and genocide cost Dems the election. Their ideology wasn't different enough from Trump to offer anything of value.

Harris, you might remember, proposed and supported border legislation that is still further right wing than what Trump has implemented or has stated he's planned on implementing.

Because the effect is the same. Sorry, again, you might finally experience what others have been.