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Like, why is it so widespread, what causes it, what solutions are available, etc. I don't really know how to ask this question so I hope I'm making sense

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Here’s a theory. I’m sure it has lots of holes in it.

Male loneliness has always been a thing. In cultures where it isn’t/wasn’t, there was a strong family relationship and older men modelling how to relate to others.

To hide from loneliness, men were able to join clubs, hang out at pubs, volunteer, or bury themselves in work.

In fact, those same pastimes are still available today.

What’s changed is that it is now socially OK to talk about loneliness (at least in online forums like this), so more people are aware it’s an issue.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

When you have a significant change in the population dynamic, it takes a significant time for the population not (really) effecting this change to adjust.

From my perspective as an old bloke, Women now treat relationships as transactional or have standards that are impossible (for that individual) to achieve; men are reacting in the only way available. There are obviously a number of reasons for the changing in dynamic and I'm not making that statement to judge or analyse; mass change requires motivation. The motivation presented itself.

To my mind society is in the same incredible flux as when the female pill became a real and accessible/allowable thing fifty years ago. Gillick competence case law didn't happen in the UK until 1985; that's awfully late to protect young women.

The risks to a man of a long-term relationship significantly outweigh the potential rewards. Being aware of the overwhelming risks and deciding not to engage doesn't stop one being lonely.

"I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." - Robin Williams

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I don't even think it's an exclusively male thing. It's just getting harder and harder to meet people and mingle. Men are just feeling it harder and sooner.

It's harder to meet people now. I think part of it is:

  1. That people used to be bored. You would make entertainment where you could find it, and two bored people can rapidly get entertained. Now you have a phone that makes you not bored, and de-incentivizes face to face interaction.

  2. There used to be more places where people interacted. Masons, elk lodge, unions, they would often serve alcohol at events, for dirt cheap. They were known as third places, somewhere other than work and home. One thing I hear from a lot of smokers is that the smoking areas are where people hang out to talk, and they do. It's where conversations happen at a club. It gives you something to do when you're not talking, a reason to stand somewhere close to people, and a perfect excuse to jump into a conversation. It's kinda infuriating that it also shaves two minutes off your life -_-.

  3. People have less time. Younger generations are working multiple jobs, gigs with unpredictable hours, often times having commutes of an hour which turns a 9 to 5 into an 8 to 6, and spending all their vacation hours on the shit that has to be done on a weekday like the DMV or the like. How are you supposed to make a friend when schedules differ so much that a spreadsheet is required to make it work?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Male culture also tends to avoid building real relationships and hiding their feelings, and depending on how they look people are scared to be around them. Effort needs to be taken for most men to unlearn toxic traits of the past, which it seems like younger kids today are getting better at avoiding, but there's definitely a handicap for most men here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

What happens to a man when he shares his feelings? Has that ever gone well for any male since the evolution of meiosis?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Gets avoided, gets called gay, gets told to man up, gets made fun of

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (15 children)

This is part of man culture that we men need to change one step at a time. Instead we bully each other over it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Traditional masculinity dictates that men don’t share their feelings (with the exception of anger and aggression because that’s not a feeling that’s just being manly). Sadness, despair, loneliness, depression all will be commonly bottled up and left untreated which leads to deep-seated feelings of isolation. The cure has to be a change in social norms, including decoupling the ideas of being socially vulnerable with being feminine.

This is a gross generalization of the issue but it definitely describes my experience with it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think you hit the nail on the head. To offer an anecdote, a locally beloved small business owner was recently diagnosed with cancer and was hospitalized. I asked one of his male employees if they're passing around a hat to help cover his bills, or at least signing a card. The guy laughed and said "That's a question for one of the girls. Men don't do that kind of shit."

It made me so sad. This guy was fighting for his life, and one of the men he's closest with acted like he didn't give a shit.

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