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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So no different than most days

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (6 children)

If we're playing by those rules, then only 50% of every human would die, because we're made of smaller living organisms

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Oh and I thought Avengers was a documentary.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Snapping half the life forms also snaps half of the world's gut bacteria. If we removed half of the gut bacteria from those who weren't snapped, that would be removing 75% of the universe's gut bacteria, not 50%.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Wait. If that is how it happened that means when half the population came back they all came back with 0% of their gut bacteria. Holy shit that would be horrible. The population doubles overnight and every single person and animal has the worse runs of their life. Meanwhile they can't get the nutritional needs no matter how much food they eat. Spend the next few months while their family cries as they wither away surrounded by food.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Imagine the famine if the next day the world population doubled. Considering that the agricultural production was also reduced

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is one of the many reasons why I say Tony Stark is a bigger villain to the universe than Thanos.

A sudden LACK of mouths is much more favorable than suddenly DOUBLING them.

I order to keep his family alive, he just brings them all back, many years out of place in a universe completely and totally unprepared for their arrival. Not to mention all the people who died AFTER the snap, as a direct result of the snap, will still be dead.

Tony stark is supposed to be smart. So he should know the consequences of his action, and completely disregards it.

And the series pretends he did the universe a favor.

Fuck Tony stark.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Now this is good Infinity Gauntlet critique! This is a legit problem that honestly should have been tackled in the comics

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

No, the desired effects was to undo Thanos's snap, not double the human population. This means that all of the gut bacteria got unsnapped exactly the same as everyone else

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not if 50% of the gut bacteria of the people who got snapped just like fell to the ground, or got stuck to that dusty shit.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why assume that though? The Infinity Gauntlet isn't a Monkey's Paw, it reads beyond the words and answers the intent of the wielder. So much so, in fact, that it even includes subconscious thoughts and feelings as part of its interpretation. I see often these ideas predicated on the Gauntlet working on Monkey Paw logic despite that being clearly and specifically not how it operates within canon.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Yeah, the Gauntlet wouldn't leave anything that can't survive on its own, like gut bacteria, nor remove anything that's needed for the proper functioning of another lifeform. It's why there weren't any fetuses falling to the ground after the pregnant women vanished.

I would assume that conjoined twins would be a both-or-neither situation, since removing one would leave a gaping wound in the other even if they could have survived independently with surgery,

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, does it erase 50% of all life, or just roughly 50%?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

50% of what Thanos considers life since it was powered by his will. Since he seemed to imply that nature (plants and animals) where not part of this it's safe to assume it was sapient life only.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Do we know if Thanos believed in life at conception or birth? Does someone with a donated organ count as one life, two or zero since they wouldn't be alive without the organ. If I only ate one foot, or how about one toe, does that make me a cannibal?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Except animals definitely were - remember endgame, Barton went into the office looked out the window to a small garden and found birds had appeared. Very indicative that the snap included animals

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

He was worried about limited resources, so I would assume that non-sapient fauna would be included.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Makes you wonder what happened to fetuses. I think it's fair to assume Thanos isn't pro-life

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I think the real problem would be ecosystem collapse.

Ecosystems evolve as complex, interdependent systems with nonlinearities. What happens when you kill off 50% of pollinators in a single instant? 50% of plankton? 50% of grasses? The problem with nonlinear systems is that killing off half of A and half of B won’t have a linear effect if the relationship depends on having minimum levels of A. Assume it’s a random function such that we kill off half of all plants and on top of that half of all rhizobium bacteria which fix nitrogen for many plant species. Now we’re killing off potentially all plants that depend on having a stable population of rhizobium bacteria, which will have a cascading effect throughout the already devastated ecosystem. It’s all about tipping points and sigmoid curves and such.

The truth is that it was a completely stupid idea, and it was what finally broke my love of the marvel franchise. Either you have runaway ecosystem collapses, or the populations will simply return back to their original levels to hit their ecological carrying capacities again. Kill off half of termites, and you’ll probably be back to the same level of termites in a decade or less. Even with people (using the word inclusively across all technological species), you’d have a population surge that within less than a century or so would be brought back to carrying capacities. Populations self-regulate via interaction with their ecosystems. You’re either going to end up with 100% extinctions or system recovery to current levels within a very brief period via normal reproduction and evolutionary dynamics.

It was a massive effort undertaken by an immortal and massively intelligent person that is inherently flawed because the marvel writers apparently never took Biology 101-102. I’m not saying it was GoT season 8 levels of bad, but after watching those last couple of movies I not only never rewatched them, but I checked out of the mcu pretty much entirely after having rewatched the previous movies multiple times each.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The movies did a great job at presenting thanos as an extremist that sincerely wants the greater good by questionable means, but it falls apart because his grand plan is just so stupid. The only way to reconcile the sympathetic character with the dumb plan is to point out he's "THANOS THE MAD TITAN", not "THANOS THE TITAN THAT FULLY CONSIDERS THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS"

Would have been much better if they just kept his original motivation from the comics: Death is a hot lady and horny thanos does the snap as a gift to her

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

My problem isn’t that he’s a Mad Titan, but that the plot makes Ready Player One look like Les Miserables. It’s basically a concept script you’d expect to see coming out from the writer pool from 30 Rock where Tracy Jordan has a six armed alien outfit.

We all know GoT died the death it did because they had absolutely no idea how to wrap it up and just wanted to be done with it. The mcu money should have been more than enough to do a proper job with transitioning the storyline, but they felt the need to do something blockbusting with it. I would rather have had a Watchmen style conclusion where some people move into retirement homes while the next generation comes forward, but their need to go over the top just turned it into a ludicrous script.

I really don’t care that much. I was getting a bit tired of the franchise anyway (although the new GotG was pretty great), but it always kind of sucks when you can tell that the creatives involved just don’t care anymore. Contrast that with something like the final episode of MASH.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Could have been a monkey paw situation. "Half of all life disappeared, you say?" every living thing suddenly missing their left half "Done!"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everything's all right then?

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's assuming that half of the gut biomes of all humans was just left floating around. No, it's more likely that the biomes were snapped out of existence with their hosts.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Whomever wrote the code for the synchronous kill must have been sweating bullets. So many ways that could go wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

well when you get snapped all that's left is dust. perhaps that dust is all the microbes in your body that survive the snap. It clearly takes up far less space that if it just disintegrated you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'll be honest, I could use a good powerblasting every once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I felt like I needed one this morning. Instead I got the longest turd I've ever seen. It hit the water before it left my arse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Two words: taco bell

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